Obama appointed judge has found 18 USC Sec. 922(g)(5) uconstitutional. This Federal law, prohibits possession of firearms by undocumented aliens.

[Whistler]

They aren't our citizens, our Constitution (the one that establishes the "rules" of our Country) doesn't apply. You can't claim the protections of a government from a place you are at by extra-legal means. I've never seen an exclusion to trespassing due to "passing through".

Of course they have natural human rights, they're human but they can have no expectation our government will protect them.
Entering this country at other than established ports of entry and by documented process is illegal.

You may possess all sorts of natural rights but not legal protection from a society or location you've "broken" into.
If someone I don't know runs onto my property and claims they have the same rights there as I do, they are in for quite a rude awakening.

 

[Younggun]

They aren't our citizens, our Constitution (the one that establishes the "rules" of our Country) doesn't apply. You can't claim the protections of a government from a place you are at by extra-legal means. I've never seen an exclusion to trespassing due to "passing through".

Our Constitution and Bill Of Rights outlines natural human rights. While I agree this doesn’t create a duty for the US government to protect the rights of non-citizens (obviously, we are not bound by a duty to fix the human rights issues of other nations), it also doesn’t negate the existence of those same rights for non citizens.

Protection however, is a large leap from infringement. That gap is filled with indifference.

Of course they have natural human rights, they're human but they can have no expectation our government will protect them.

Where do you draw the line. Having no expectation of basic humans rights can get dark real fast.

Entering this country at other than established ports of entry and by documented process is illegal.

Yes it is. First offense is a class B misdemeanor. IIRC, that doesn’t effect firearms ownership in the US.

Second offense would be a felony, which by our law allows for the infringement of your right to bear arms.

You may possess all sorts of natural rights but not legal protection from a society or location you've "broken" into.

Again, this can get pretty dark.

If someone I don't know runs onto my property and claims they have the same rights there as I do, they are in for quite a rude awakening.

They would be trespassed and removed from the property. Kind of like people who say “concealed is concealed” carry passed a 30.06 sign, get caught, and trespassed from the premises. They don’t lose their right to self defense or bear arms though.

I agree, illegal immigrants should be trespassed and removed from the US.

 

[Ashby14]

The Selective Service Act requires that all males, citizen or alien, register for the draft at age 18. Failure to do so is a felony offense of USC. Therefore, any alien who has not registered has committed a felony and may not legally own a firearm.

Who Needs to Register | Selective Service System

www.sss.gov

 

[cav2108541]

What could possibly be the downside to arming the new illegal population that has been foisted on the US?

 

[Younggun]

The Selective Service Act requires that all males, citizen or alien, register for the draft at age 18. Failure to do so is a felony offense of USC. Therefore, any alien who has not registered has committed a felony and may not legally own a firearm.

Who Needs to Register | Selective Service System

www.sss.gov

It seems for it to be a crime they must “knowingly” fail to register. So they must be aware of the requirement and then intentionally fail to do so.

Also, they must be found guilty of said felony before it would have any effect.

I don’t make the rules.

 

[popper]

US court system is crap anymore. Dallas cop shot, several teens involved, 2 arrested, NO gun charges of ANY kind. See the problem?

 

[billtool]

It seems for it to be a crime they must “knowingly” fail to register. So they must be aware of the requirement and then intentionally fail to do so.

Also, they must be found guilty of said felony before it would have any effect.

I don’t make the rules.

Doesn't "ignorance of the law is no excuse" apply here?. If I travel into IL with a loaded gun in my vehicle, should I be charged with a felony and subject to the punishment for committing that crime if the government accuses me of being the perpetrator. Even if I didn't know it was illegal?

 

[Younggun]

Doesn't "ignorance of the law is no excuse" apply here?. If I travel into IL with a loaded gun in my vehicle, should I be charged with a felony and subject to the punishment for committing that crime if the government accuses me of being the perpetrator. Even if I didn't know it was illegal?

Apparently not.

Every bit of text I’ve found for the law uses the phrase “has knowingly and willfully failed to register “.

 

[leVieux]

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OK, IANAL,

BUT,

Isn’t it true that persons here illegally have NO RIGHTS under the U S Constitution ?

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[Younggun]

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OK, IANAL,

BUT,

Isn’t it true that persons here illegally have NO RIGHTS under the U S Constitution ?

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No, that’s not true.

Good thing you’re not a lawyer.

 

[leVieux]

More and more every day, I fear for my grand children.

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AMEN, AMEN !

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[leVieux]

No, that’s not true.

Good thing you’re not a lawyer.

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I never wanted to be a Lawyer.

But, it is looking more & more that our government is giving illegals greater ’’rights’’ than citizens ?

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[Younggun]

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I never wanted to be a Lawyer.

But, it is looking more & more that our government is giving illegals greater ’’rights’’ than citizens ?

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There’s nothing in the constitution that prevents the US from securing its border.

The issue is our border. Not the constitution or adhering to the rights our nation is founded out.

 

[leVieux]

There’s nothing in the constitution that prevents the US from securing its border.

The issue is our border. Not the constitution or adhering to the rights our nation is founded out.

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Understood & agreed.

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[Army 1911]

Tyson foods is apparently firing Americans and hiring illegals at way lower wages to replace them and with government approval. Benefits include legal representation, health insurance, and time off for immigration hearing in the far distant future.

 

[Younggun]

Tyson foods is apparently firing Americans and hiring illegals at way lower wages to replace them and with government approval. Benefits include legal representation, health insurance, and time off for immigration hearing in the far distant future.

Source?

Pretty sure Tyson (or maybe another chicken processing company) has been raided multiple times and had the majority of their workforce detained (supposedly for deportation) at one of their plants. Want to say it was in Missouri , but not sure.

 

[Younggun]

Probe for Tyson possibly violating child labor laws with immigrant children

Tyson Foods and Perdue Farms face federal probe over possible child labor violations

Investigation of the two poultry giants follows NYT report of migrant children cleaning slaughterhouses overnight in Virginia.

www.cbsnews.com

This is the one I was thinking of in the last post. It was Koch plants in Mississippi, not Tyson in Missouri. Looks like a left wing source, but it’s what popped up.

ICE raids seven Mississippi chicken plants, in the largest single-state action in agency history

Critics note that workers, rather than slaughterhouse owners, typically bear the brunt of these enforcement actions.

thecounter.org

Seems like the industry has a history of using illegal immigrants for cheap labor. No surprise the current admin would turn a blind eye.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

Demoncrats want votes/swamp rat publicans want cheap labor.

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[Army 1911]

Source?

Pretty sure it was on the Dan Bongino (spelling) show today.

Hiring asylum seeking illegals.

 

[Lead Belly]

Before anyone accuses me of being racist, I want everyone here to know that some of my favorite restaurants are Mexican.