They were Confederate Soldiers and if you asked them, I would imagine they wouldn't identify as American Soldiers.
There ain't no "devil's advocate" here. Just plain, unvarnished BULLSHIT.Devil's advocate here...but...why does anyone care if bases are renamed?
The confederacy lost the Civil War and in the years after the war, some people from the South decided to name things (streets, colleges, military bases, and etc) after generals from the losing side of the war to give a longterm middle finger to the North.
The Civil War and all components of it should absolutely be taught in schools, but why does it make sense to name things after generals and leaders from the side that literally lost the war?
>I don't really have any skin in this game and don't care either way, but I think it's important to challenge viewpoints on both sides of conversations to build an understanding and rationale for myself (and maybe others).
That's a major oversimplification of all of the history that led to the war and what led to the war ending. Also, at the conclusion of the war, the South did indeed kill the sitting US President...
But the South still lost the war. Why would the country that was (re?)formed after the war keep things that honor those who wanted to pull apart from the United States?
They were Confederate Soldiers and if you asked them, I would imagine they wouldn't identify as American Soldiers.
But even if we respect them, why honor them by putting their name on a ton of things?
Honestly, the Confederate generals and leaders were lucky that they weren't treated as leaders of a lost war are normally treated - execution.
Anyway, I just don't see how in 2023 it makes sense to keep the names of American dissenters on a bunch of buildings. What's the harm in updating things to honor more modern American heros?
We can't be out of money, presses full speed ahead!At some point, the U.S. is going to run out of money for real needs while the Biden Administration blows money on made up issues!
"The South" did not kill Lincoln. That act was performed by an individual, with some assistance. But that was not a Confederate government plot.I don't really have any skin in this game and don't care either way, but I think it's important to challenge viewpoints on both sides of conversations to build an understanding and rationale for myself (and maybe others).
That's a major oversimplification of all of the history that led to the war and what led to the war ending. Also, at the conclusion of the war, the South did indeed kill the sitting US President...
But the South still lost the war. Why would the country that was (re?)formed after the war keep things that honor those who wanted to pull apart from the United States?
They were Confederate Soldiers and if you asked them, I would imagine they wouldn't identify as American Soldiers.
But even if we respect them, why honor them by putting their name on a ton of things?
Honestly, the Confederate generals and leaders were lucky that they weren't treated as leaders of a lost war are normally treated - execution.
Anyway, I just don't see how in 2023 it makes sense to keep the names of American dissenters on a bunch of buildings. What's the harm in updating things to honor more modern American heros?
Because, IMO, it has nothing to do with the war at all.Devil's advocate here...but...why does anyone care if bases are renamed?
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My own Confederate great-grandfather received a pension from the United States in the early 1900's and a bronze grave marker from Veterans Affairs in the 1980's.I don't really have any skin in this game and don't care either way, but I think it's important to challenge viewpoints on both sides of conversations to build an understanding and rationale for myself (and maybe others).
That's a major oversimplification of all of the history that led to the war and what led to the war ending. Also, at the conclusion of the war, the South did indeed kill the sitting US President...
But the South still lost the war. Why would the country that was (re?)formed after the war keep things that honor those who wanted to pull apart from the United States?
They were Confederate Soldiers and if you asked them, I would imagine they wouldn't identify as American Soldiers.
But even if we respect them, why honor them by putting their name on a ton of things?
Honestly, the Confederate generals and leaders were lucky that they weren't treated as leaders of a lost war are normally treated - execution.
Anyway, I just don't see how in 2023 it makes sense to keep the names of American dissenters on a bunch of buildings. What's the harm in updating things to honor more modern American heros?
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell, 1984
<>My own Confederate great-grandfather received a pension from the United States in the early 1900's and a bronze grave marker from Veterans Affairs in the 1980's.
Conciliation and respect were hallmarks of the reunion, forgotten in this current generation of division heading toward another conflict...
The destruction of monuments and the renaming of bases does nothing to unify and everything to divide, as you may well see here...
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." A. Lincoln
History is "taught" so well I guarantee you 90% of the population will have no idea whose flag that is.
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"The Stars and Bars"Folks often do not know when I am flying it at my place.
<>"The Stars and Bars"