What bullshit. "You guys"? I don't even know who the hell you are arguing with. I'm simply saying that nations have interests, survival being near the top. And that when you take actions you would be wise to consider the logical consequences of your actions. It's something you try and teach little children.
The equivalent here is a predator murdering or raping a victim because of their supposed "need". They blame the victim for calling the police or for giving them an funny look or for wearing such sexy clothes. Sure, its only natural... it is anything but natural and is disgusting that the invasion of a sovereign, peaceful country, the intentional murder and rape of its civilians, the wide spread murder of catured soldiers in contravention to the established laws of war could be defended as "natural".
From a completely amoral, USA-first point of view, an extended war of attrition is not a bad thing. The more blood Russia pours onto Ukrainian soil, the less they will have to spare on the trek to Warsaw.
Why do you think there is going to be a trek to Warsaw? I read on the internet that Russia is the weaker military in Ukraine. Those of us that didn’t need someone to tell us what to think about Putin’s interview with Tucker remember him admitting that invading Poland would be a terrible decision on his part.
Russia is struggling to make headway in Ukraine. Attacking NATO seems unlikely. But I do wonder if the US gov't does favor an extended war in order to bleed Russia.
Which is just as reliable as when he denied that the men in green, unmarked uniforms who walked into...where was that place he invaded? There have been so many...and then later had a great guffaw with a Russian news interviewer about how "of course" those were Russian troops.
So many? When I look it up, Putin came to power in 1999 and they started the 2nd Chechen War, but the region was still officially part of the Russian Federation and the war was to re-establish actual control. They invaded Georgia in 2008. Syria etc they were fighting in support of the existing gov't. We might not want to get into that particular criticism, as arguably we've "gone into" more countries than that w/o an existing gov't invite in the same time period. But of course we're always doing it for their own good.
The thing is, the people pushing pro proxy war propaganda are shotgunning narratives, which are sometimes conflicting, hoping that at least one of them will convince people that they should support the proxy war. The world knows that Russia can not invade Poland without getting curb stomped, so why try to push that narrative as justification for the proxy war?
What gives me nightmares is that I'm not sure, way down in his heart of hearts, if Putin knows that.
Especially with his wanton and reckless threats of the use of nuclear weapons.
Never known a despot to be rational, millenia of evidence to back up that observation.
