What bullshit. "You guys"? I don't even know who the hell you are arguing with. I'm simply saying that nations have interests, survival being near the top. And that when you take actions you would be wise to consider the logical consequences of your actions. It's something you try and teach little children.By your logic, then Donald Trump is dirty and deserves prison time for failing to fully drain the swamp. Every time you guys trot out that whole situation with the government the Ukrainians kicked out when they elected Zelenzky as the anti-corruption (and coincidentally, anti-Russian influence) candidate, you react the same way when you're presented with non-Russian favoring facts. Or, as Havoc loves to do, you trot out claims of the current Ukrainian government squirreling away billions overseas, citing sources that, if you follow the trail of links, all originate with the Kremlin's media outlets.
But hey, if we can't trust the mouthpieces of an oligarchy centered around the cult of personality of a former KGB stooge who has on multiple occasions expressed his admiration of Josef Stalin and his desire to reclaim all of the Soviet Union's former territories, who can you trust?