I'm reserving judgement. The "He is a professional warrior..." quote was so ridiculous my first impression is that it was satire. And pretty funny, too.
Now, if the quote had been "certified warrior", we would have known it was satire.
What is Bill McCraven's problem with campus carry?
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Now, if the quote had been "certified warrior", we would have known it was satire.
Not to detract from the above in any way, but the oath taken by a commissioned Officer in the Army was even more specific in that it was ONLY about upholding and defending the Constitution.
Don't keep up with it these days, but hope that hasn't changed?
rsayloriii
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According to http://oathkeepers.org/oktester/about/:
Current Serving and Veterans, you swore an Oath…
Military Enlisted Oath
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Military Officers Oath
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me GodNOTE: While the enlisted oath does contain a pledge to obey the orders of the President and of commanding officers, that is still preceded by a pledge to “defend the Constitution,” and is also qualified by the requirement that such orders be “according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.” Any order, by anyone, that is not constitutional or according to regulations, is unlawful and military personnel are not obligated to follow such orders – and, in fact, are obligated to refuse.
In contrast to the enlisted oath, the oath of military officers is to the Constitution alone, without qualification. To learn more about the history of the military oath, go here.
Veterans, your Oath NEVER expires! It’s time to keep it!
rsayloriii,
Pardon me for pointing out that "Wikipedia" is UNTRUSTWORTHY on any number of issues of public policy. - For example, the so-called SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER is a collection of FAR LEFT shysters & KNOWN LIARS.
yours, satx
Pardon me for pointing out that "Wikipedia" is UNTRUSTWORTHY on any number of issues of public policy. - For example, the so-called SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER is a collection of FAR LEFT shysters & KNOWN LIARS.
yours, satx
Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” That oath, mandated by Article VI of the Constitution itself, is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and Oath Keepers declare that they will not obey unconstitutional orders, such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as “enemy combatants” in violation of their ancient right to jury trial.
seeker_two
My posts don't count....
If it helps, Ken Starr of Baylor doesn't want campus carry. Maybe they're right.....going to college makes some people lose their ever-lovin' minds...
Did you take a wrong turn at the Democratic Underground or something?....
seeker two,
I suspect that it's NOT a case of losing their minds but rather a case of kissing the toucas of the FAR LEFT. = That's why:
1. chancellors & presidents of colleges should be business people rather than academics.
and
2. why tenure should be ABOLISHED.
yours, satx
I suspect that it's NOT a case of losing their minds but rather a case of kissing the toucas of the FAR LEFT. = That's why:
1. chancellors & presidents of colleges should be business people rather than academics.
and
2. why tenure should be ABOLISHED.
yours, satx
rsayloriii
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While wikipedia may have its flaws, you'll also take note that I have provided a link to the actual Oath Keepers website and to the Oath Keepers direct page about the oath.
I also took the oath and served two tours...and I carry legally...and I have a few weapons that I am very proficient with...and I also happen to vote Democrat which makes me a minority here so I guess that makes me a troll...
Or are the real trolls the ones who would rather call others trolls instead of arguing their points?
What I am reading here are a few folks who may have never served a day or may have never seen combat and who don't agree with a Navy SEAL on a hot button political issue so they disrespect him by marginalizing his service. That is not acceptable anytime, anyplace, or in any way and I take strong exception to anyone disrespecting a combat veteran's service for any reason. That, my fellow gun aficionados, is a very good way to start a flaming war...
There is absolutely no need for a college student to be sitting in class armed. No good can come of it. There is a time and place and that is not the time nor place.
Now, disagree and argue your points with respect and intelligence or KMA.
Or are the real trolls the ones who would rather call others trolls instead of arguing their points?
What I am reading here are a few folks who may have never served a day or may have never seen combat and who don't agree with a Navy SEAL on a hot button political issue so they disrespect him by marginalizing his service. That is not acceptable anytime, anyplace, or in any way and I take strong exception to anyone disrespecting a combat veteran's service for any reason. That, my fellow gun aficionados, is a very good way to start a flaming war...
There is absolutely no need for a college student to be sitting in class armed. No good can come of it. There is a time and place and that is not the time nor place.
Now, disagree and argue your points with respect and intelligence or KMA.
Have you been in a firefight, military engagement or otherwise? I have.
Were you at VT in the line of fire on that day ? I was not.
If you went to college, did you ever feel the need to be armed while attending classes? I attended night classes at the University of Houston, Main Campus, located in a not so safe part of Houston, and I never once felt the need to be armed...especially sitting in or going to or from classes.
If you cannot answer yes to at least one of these questions, then maybe you do not have enough background experience to assess this situation...just say'n...
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Do you believe a college is an inherently safe place to be as apposed to other locations?
Do you believe that someone who intends to do harm will not do so on a college campus because guns aren't allowed in the buildings?
Do you believe the presence of a firearm makes a place more dangerous?
Do you believe the current requirements for a CHL are not strict enough or that the classroom or range portion is inadequate?
I disagree on your point about marginalizing his service. It simply does not equate to the civilian world. There are plenty here with experience in the military, and in combat that disagree with him. Rank must be respected in the military, most who served deserve respect, but serving does not give one any special abilities in applying rights or knowing what is best for a college. In that situation, he's just a man with an opinion.
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Have you ever been on your knees waiting for a pschyopath to shoot you in the top of the head and wished you had a means to fight back. Gun free zones are nothing but target rich environments to maniacs who wish to commit acts of evil.
Again, experience in gunfights has nothing to do with the need to be armed. If so rookie cops (and military) would not be issued guns till after first firefight. Pretty stupid argument you are trying to make, just sayin'.
It drives me nuts, when guy's are saying that unless you have served in combat, your opinion is invalid. It takes everyone with different backgrounds to make America great. Get over yourself and try appreciating everyone.
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