Breaking: Active shooter Santa Fe TX high school

[pronstar]

Ummm...wut?

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[sobi1998]

Ummm...wut?


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You didn't know? Those were 10 less-lethal deaths yesterday. They're dead...just less lethally...


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[oldag]

Oldag, I hear what you’re saying and I’m inclined to agree that “bad parenting” can have an adverse effect on a child growing up (no doubt).

But for those advocating such, holding the parents criminally liable for the actions of their seventeen year old is a little like the reverse, holding a child responsible for “sins of the parents”, to me. At some point, society has got to hold an individual personally responsible regardless of the trials and tribulations they’ve experienced in life (again, assuming normal mental competence). Is that age 15? 17? 18? 21? 25?

Not infrequently we see news reports of someone who has grown up with a disastrous home life, and yet they establish a good - even successful - life for themselves. I don’t know when “maturity” happens - at different ages for different people, I suppose. I’m guessing for Mr. Greek guy (the Santa Fe shooter), “maturity” is about to unload on him in jail, like a ton of bricks! He’s about to reap the repercussions of his very poor life choices.

We are probably just not communicating on the same plane (which is probably a good thing for you ).

Do parents retain some responsibility for a 17 YO's actions? That is different than do they they have liability. Don't think I said that parents should be liable. I have to believe that a parent is responsible for how they raised their child, regardless of age. Should they be legally liable for a 17YO's actions? That is another question.

Is a 17YO also responsible for his actions? Yes, a different responsibility from that of the parent.

 

[AustinN4]

Just noticed that FOX news crawl at the bottom of the screen is still saying a semi-auto handgun and a sawed off shotgun. Probably one of those Shockwave things. But if it is a real sawed off, daddy may be in a world of hurt.

 

[sucker76]

This goes to show how much media misinformation there is from ALL media. I've heard sawed off to semi auto to rem 870 for the shotty and revolver to pistol to semi auto handgun.
Whoever is delivering the news has an agenda of some sort. Isn't it always better to ask forgiveness (retract the terms or story) than permission (get it right the first time)?
It's all about hits and getting the first viral video these days.

 

[Sam7sf]

Chopped full semi auto 13 gauge salt style weapon. Get your facts right guys.

 

[majormadmax]

Nevermind...

 

[sobi1998]

This goes to show how much media misinformation there is from ALL media. I've heard sawed off to semi auto to rem 870 for the shotty and revolver to pistol to semi auto handgun.
Whoever is delivering the news has an agenda of some sort. Isn't it always better to ask forgiveness (retract the terms or story) than permission (get it right the first time)?
It's all about hits and getting the first viral video these days.

I pointed that out yesterday. It's easier to say oops and sorry than be patient. Greg Abbott said it was a shotgun and a .38 revolver
Side note: read the link I posted earlier today. Messed up stuff


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[sobi1998]

Chopped full semi auto 13 gauge salt style weapon. Get your facts right guys.

You forgot the .30 clipazine that fires 800 shells a second


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[karlac]

Is a 17YO also responsible for his actions? Yes, a different responsibility from that of the parent.

IIRC, Texas does have parental criminal liability for child access to firearms, but only for those under 17 years of age. Likely a moot point in this case.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I remember when I was a kid, all the guns in a wooden display case with glass front.
Never locked .

 

[karlac]

I remember when I was a kid, all the guns in a wooden display case with glass front.
Never locked .

How times have changed. I rushed, not walked, to buy a large gun safe within 24 hours of me finding out that my wife had just given her first music lesson to a child in our home.

Scared the hell out me, still shiver thinking about it.

 

[Sam7sf]

I remember when I was a kid, all the guns in a wooden display case with glass front.
Never locked .

That's caused those of us that could have had access to guns as teens, never stole from our dads.

 

[sucker76]

That's caused those of us that could have had access to guns as teens, never stole from our dads.

Yup

 

[easy rider]

How times have changed. I rushed, not walked, to buy a large gun safe within 24 hours of me finding out that my wife had just given her first music lesson to a child in our home.

Scared the hell out me, still shiver thinking about it.

The thought of your wife giving music lessons, a child in your home or unlocked guns?

 

[karlac]

The thought of your wife giving music lessons, a child in your home with unlocked guns?

That ^

 

[karlac]

I really think things started to go down hill in the 60s-70s. Kennedy assassinated in '63 made America numb, removal of prayer in schools that same year. The rise of Feminism. Abortion became legal in 1973 and created a sense that life isn't really that valuable . The Vietnam war made a lot of people cynical and ushered in the "if it feels good-do it" mentality. Timothy Leary and LSD. Colleges became institutions of activism instead of education.

Those 15 or so years began the moral slide that we are living with today.

But even those are all results of our transition from a rural to urban society. Before WW2 the vast majority of the US population lived in small towns. People knew their neighbors and looked out for each other. Church was the social center of the community. One tended to die within 50 miles of where they were born.
Today the US is an urban society. With that brings those things listed above.

Well said.

But dammit ... our children are killing each other.
Let that sink in ... thought I'd seen the face of evil in war, but can it get any more evil than this?

And for idiots to think that banning inanimate objects can fix this.

 

[sobi1998]

Well said.

But dammit ... our children are killing each other.
Let that sink in ... thought I'd seen the face of evil in war, but can it get any more evil than this?

And for idiots to think that banning inanimate objects can fix this.

Well we have had FPS games for over 20years now. The worst part is that these killings have become poetic to these idiots. The media had glorified these killers into celebrities so yeah it's pretty easy now to get famous
Bully got ya down? Shoot em up!


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[busykngt]

Don't think I said that parents should be liable

Agreed; that’s why I said for those who were advocating such a thing. I realize you never said that but some on here, did say that. In most instances, parents do share some of the responsibility.

But sometimes it’s outside their control too. I’m convinced the adoptive parents of Cruz (the Parkland shooter) had the best intentions AND did the best they could do for him. He was born of a mother who was a junkie/drug addict. He was diagnosed early on with “learning difficulties” and later with a form of autism (ah la, Adam Lanza of Sandyhook infamy). At five years old, he and his adoptive dad were playing in the family room together and his dad died of a heart attack in front of him. Then his adoptive mother died of influenza just three or four months before he went on his crazy shooting spree. The guy was “damaged goods” from the get go. Temper problems, behavior problems, discipline problems AND being raised by effectively, an older single mom, who then dies before the guy finishes maturing. The actions he took are rightfully and totally on him.

 

[pronstar]

That's caused those of us that could have had access to guns as teens, never stole from our dads.

Yup.
I wouldn’t have gotten a trophy that’s for sure.

I’d have a foot up my ass so fast, I’d never want to even look at a gun again...




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