Oldag, I hear what you’re saying and I’m inclined to agree that “bad parenting” can have an adverse effect on a child growing up (no doubt).
But for those advocating such, holding the parents criminally liable for the actions of their seventeen year old is a little like the reverse, holding a child responsible for “sins of the parents”, to me. At some point, society has got to hold an individual personally responsible regardless of the trials and tribulations they’ve experienced in life (again, assuming normal mental competence). Is that age 15? 17? 18? 21? 25?
Not infrequently we see news reports of someone who has grown up with a disastrous home life, and yet they establish a good - even successful - life for themselves. I don’t know when “maturity” happens - at different ages for different people, I suppose. I’m guessing for Mr. Greek guy (the Santa Fe shooter), “maturity” is about to unload on him in jail, like a ton of bricks! He’s about to reap the repercussions of his very poor life choices.
This goes to show how much media misinformation there is from ALL media. I've heard sawed off to semi auto to rem 870 for the shotty and revolver to pistol to semi auto handgun.
Whoever is delivering the news has an agenda of some sort. Isn't it always better to ask forgiveness (retract the terms or story) than permission (get it right the first time)?
It's all about hits and getting the first viral video these days.
Chopped full semi auto 13 gauge salt style weapon. Get your facts right guys.
Is a 17YO also responsible for his actions? Yes, a different responsibility from that of the parent.
I remember when I was a kid, all the guns in a wooden display case with glass front.
Never locked .
That's caused those of us that could have had access to guns as teens, never stole from our dads.I remember when I was a kid, all the guns in a wooden display case with glass front.
Never locked .
YupThat's caused those of us that could have had access to guns as teens, never stole from our dads.
The thought of your wife giving music lessons, a child in your home or unlocked guns?How times have changed. I rushed, not walked, to buy a large gun safe within 24 hours of me finding out that my wife had just given her first music lesson to a child in our home.
Scared the hell out me, still shiver thinking about it.
The thought of your wife giving music lessons, a child in your home with unlocked guns?
I really think things started to go down hill in the 60s-70s. Kennedy assassinated in '63 made America numb, removal of prayer in schools that same year. The rise of Feminism. Abortion became legal in 1973 and created a sense that life isn't really that valuable . The Vietnam war made a lot of people cynical and ushered in the "if it feels good-do it" mentality. Timothy Leary and LSD. Colleges became institutions of activism instead of education.
Those 15 or so years began the moral slide that we are living with today.
But even those are all results of our transition from a rural to urban society. Before WW2 the vast majority of the US population lived in small towns. People knew their neighbors and looked out for each other. Church was the social center of the community. One tended to die within 50 miles of where they were born.
Today the US is an urban society. With that brings those things listed above.
Well said.
But dammit ... our children are killing each other.
Let that sink in ... thought I'd seen the face of evil in war, but can it get any more evil than this?
And for idiots to think that banning inanimate objects can fix this.
Don't think I said that parents should be liable
That's caused those of us that could have had access to guns as teens, never stole from our dads.