Taking a Stand!!

[Fosty]

So by reading that I guess you're all for abortion.

Here we go...

 

[Lunyfringe]

The first problem that I have with the kneeling is that it is based on a false narrative (i.e., black lives matter movement). And other ways exist to promote their "cause" that would be less offensive.

Those who disagree with the kneeling need to do two things: don't send any money the NFL's way; speak out in a positive manner.

1) I don't give any money to the NFL, except that which is taken by the Cities & State to pay for stadiums...that is out of my control.
2) I'm positive that I don't watch any NFL broadcasts, buy any NFL merchandise, or otherwise support them financially in ways I can control.

(I'm honestly at a loss on what you mean by "speak out in a positive manner")

 

[TX OMFS]

I think it is a bad idea to attempt to force respect either by employment contract or otherwise. I also think it’s ineffective. I do agree that much blood has been spilled by American patriots to ensure we have the freedom to respect or disrespect whatever we choose.


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It's not forcing respect. No one can force respect. It is forcing obedience to the employer. Do it or get out.

 

[SloppyShooter]

OP, Let’s say you drive a company owned vehicle for work and they have a policy about political bumper stickers but you want to put your Bernie sticker on , are they restricting your 1st Amendment Rights?
You can go ahead an put it on, but you also are putting your job in jeopardy

Same thing with the punk assed, over paid, wife beating, BLM, NFL players who protest the national anthem, US Flag and Military of which I am a veteran.

Ummm....I think you should be directing this to gaines67, not the OP. Frank only posted a link to Fox news coverage, and made no comment one way or the other.

Other than that, yeah, they needs to stand they ass up, and quit disrespecting the nation that has given them so much.

 

[vmax]

yeah, my bad, meant gaines67

 

[Wildcat Diva]

My work has a code of conduct that I agree to adhere to if I want to work there. It’s my choice to follow it or not.

 

[mcunningham615]

Here we go...

Nothing gets a libtards fired up more than abortion. Just using that as an example. I'm against abortion personally but I won't force my beliefs on others. I DO NOT LIKE the fact that government helps fund it with my tax dollars. It has never made sense to me that aborting (killing) an innocent baby is ok, but the death penalty for a murderer or violent criminal is not. We are living in an upside down, inside out society. How did this happen. This PC crap has gone too far.

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[Ole Cowboy]

Yes, yes. Forced patriotism - that will cure the nation of what ails it.


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NOPE!

What is your companies dress policy (don't tell me they don't have one, show up in a jock strap and see how long you last).

They are on the job and they wear a uniform, don't want to wear it, find another job. Jerry wants his folks to stand up with the Anthem is played they stand up, they can think anything they want, he is not asking anyone to think, pray, salute or vote for Trump, he just asked them to stand as not only are they in a public venue, but they have half the US watching them on TV, you will conduct yourself common courtesy.

Don't think any of that is to much to ask...

 

[Frank59]

NOPE!

What is your companies dress policy (don't tell me they don't have one, show up in a jock strap and see how long you last).

 

[diesel1959]

Yes, yes. Forced patriotism - that will cure the nation of what ails it.


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Professional sports are kabuki theater at its finest . . . why should it be any different during the national anthem? Stand there and play your role--your highly-paid role.

Protest/resist/occupy/SJW on your own damn time!

 

[diesel1959]

It doesn’t hurt anything and it has been something I do with pride each and every time I have the opportunity. That said, why must we, supporters of providing maximum freedom to our fellow countryman, so focused on forcing a fellow citizen who feels differently, to act in a certain way, i.e. you must respect this flag. There is a joke that “consistency is the hallmark of small minds”, but how about some consistency. Either you are for freedom of expression or you aren’t. I fear that this country has devolved to the point that people are for freedom of their own expression, but not those of others if they disagree with the message.


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It's NOT a first amendment issue when it's on your employer's time. The "freedom" you talk about is merely the freedom to accept (or not) the workplace rules for your job. If you don't accept them, then GTFO and find another job that you like better.

 

[gaines67]

It's NOT a first amendment issue when it's on your employer's time. The "freedom" you talk about is merely the freedom to accept (or not) the workplace rules for your job. If you don't accept them, then GTFO and find another job that you like better.

I agree. I think you would also agree, however, that there are some limits. For example, if I had a rule prohibiting my staff from praying in the lunch room before eating, that would be objectionable. If Jerry Jones required his players to appear on the sidelines before the game in jockstraps only (above), that would be objectionable (except for our friends in Austin).


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[pronstar]

This is about money and noting more.

Jerry initially read the political winds incorrectly, and himself took a knee before the anthem to protest Trump, linking arms with players.

NFL fans reacted quite negatively, and he did a hard 180.

The league is still dealing with their decision to believe the MSM and their anti-Trump rhetoric.

They quickly learned that their fan base was largely comprised of the silent majority that voted for Trump and his policies.


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[mcunningham615]

Can't say I'd agree. If that man pays you, you follow his rules or move down the road to an employer who has rules you agree with. A job is not a right ! It is your responsibility to do what you agreed to do as a condition of that employment.

I agree. I think you would also agree, however, that there are some limits. For example, if I had a rule prohibiting my staff from praying in the lunch room before eating, that would be objectionable. If Jerry Jones required his players to appear on the sidelines before the game in jockstraps only (above), that would be objectionable (except for our friends and Austin).


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[Sam7sf]

Yes, yes. Forced patriotism - that will cure the nation of what ails it.


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I would like to add a few things.

These athletes are spoiled shits. I'm glad at least one owner is forcing them to stand.

Many athletes are in their early 20's and have gotten an easy ride in life. Look at kap, the player who started it. He was very privileged. Comes from a very wealthy home. These kids, and yes they are still kids, are being put in a situation where they have too much and not enough discipline.

If I payed you millions per year to do a job, you don't think I won't be on you 24/7 to make sure what I'm paying you to do gets done the way I want? These kids forget its a job. They have a job. An owners signs your paycheck. If he says stand you freaking stand!

 

[AustinN4]

An owners signs your paycheck. If he says stand you freaking stand!

That, or GTFO!

 

[diesel1959]

I agree. I think you would also agree, however, that there are some limits. For example, if I had a rule prohibiting my staff from praying in the lunch room before eating, that would be objectionable. If Jerry Jones required his players to appear on the sidelines before the game in jockstraps only (above), that would be objectionable (except for our friends in Austin).


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It's a freedom that they all have to walk off the job and leave you with your dick in your hand. So you make rules that are sensible, efficient, and get done what you need. There's no difference with what Jerry Jones (and the Prez) are asking for here--stand for the national anthem. It's not a hardship, it's efficient, sensible, and gets done what needs to get done--putting and keeping butts in the seats in the stands and tuned in on TVs all around the nation.

 

[toddnjoyce]

The first problem that I have with the kneeling is that it is based on a false narrative (i.e., black lives matter movement).

I don’t think any of the kneelers really know why they’re doing it.

It started with that kid in California, and he may have had a reason. Then, the team said sure, we’ll do it too.

Then the fans said **** off and die and the kid in CA sucked as a player and was fired. And then the players kept doing it for whatever reason. Then the owners did it.

I haven’t contributed a dime to the league or any team, nor have I watched an NFL game since Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry.

Whatever drama the league or players want to manufacture is up to them; I know I don’t care what kind of fools the players, owners, officials, and executives act like.

 

[busykngt]

Sam7sf, don’t be so hard on Colin Kaepernick. He has a job.

You just need to let him know if you want fries with that.

 

[Sam7sf]

The problem is the NFL and coaching staff are bleeding heart liberals. No back bones. Players will go yeah lets do that do...were black...black lives matter. Black people are abused and oppressed...that's why were athletes that get payed double digit millions...