VA Guardsman: we will not comply

[SlimJim]

Funny that the state senator spoke of nationalizing the Guard. That would take them from Title 32 to Title 10 USC, They would no longer be "State" troops but "Federal"
and outside the State jurisdiction.

Outside the state jurisdiction but enforcing state law? Honestly the Virginians should just over run the Capital and seize the Gov. And AG.
Just read where a quarter of a million was set aside for more gun control legislation.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

 

[majormadmax]

 

[kbaxter60]

Pennsylvania REQUIRED both parties to go before an FFL if transferring a handgun In order to give the illusion of preventing criminals from owning concealable handguns.

FIFY
I lived in a state that passed a law for the same purported reason. When I say "passed a law", I mean the idiot residents were duped by a slick marketing campaign, chock full of lies and voted it in.
On themselves.
I don't live in that state any longer.

 

[jordanmills]

Outside the state jurisdiction but enforcing state law? Honestly the Virginians should just over run the Capital and seize the Gov. And AG.
Just read where a quarter of a million was set aside for more gun control legislation.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

I mean, if your governor starts performing criminal acts under color of law, it's the obligation of the citizens to remove him from office. Kind of exactly why we have these militias that he's so worried about. Which might explain why he's so worried about them.

 

[GunnutJack]

You really need to read our gun laws before commenting.

Sorry I misunderstood then as I said I am NEW(er) to Texas....only being here 2 years.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Sorry I misunderstood then as I said I am NEW(er) to Texas....only being here 2 years.

No worries; I would highly recommend you become well versed on our use of force laws in addition to TPC 30.06 and 30.07 the exceptions to those statutes, and the defenses to prosecution for all the above.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

There will be a time in the not to distant future we will have to put our lives on the line as a massive group if we want to legally keep our guns. Unless we are willing to give our lives to the cause of keeping our 2A rights, then you just as well turn your guns over and comply now.

The democrats have already managed to get most of California on the anti-gun wagon as well as NJ, NY, MAss, and now VA, Several other states are falling soon too. It’s only a matter of time.

but until we Force the issue, and put a stop to it, they will keep coming.

 

[Younggun]

Outside the state jurisdiction but enforcing state law? Honestly the Virginians should just over run the Capital and seize the Gov. And AG.
Just read where a quarter of a million was set aside for more gun control legislation.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

There are other means by the which to effect change such as recall elections and SCOTUS.

The 2A as a defense to domestic enemies was intended as a last resort. Seems like som here are running Fitbit marathons just thinking about a chance to live out their LARP fantasies. And I’m betting that most have no idea just how horrible such an event would actually be.

*Zips up FR jacket*


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Texasgrillchef]

There are other means by the which to effect change such as recall elections and SCOTUS.

The 2A as a defense to domestic enemies was intended as a last resort. Seems like som here are running Fitbit marathons just thinking about a chance to live out their LARP fantasies. And I’m betting that most have no idea just how horrible such an event would actually be.

*Zips up FR jacket*


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Recall elections have only worked 12% of the time nationwide, in regards to State level officials.

Lawsuits to work its way through the courts and get decided on by SCOTUS takes an average of 3.5 to 5 years for SCOTUS to even make a ruling. In the mean time, the law is still be enforced, people are still be arrested, and people are still going to jail, or paying huge fines or both. It also costs on average 1 - 2 million dollars as well, if not more.

In regards to Virginia, There are more democrat registered voters then republicans, so little chance of a recall election working. Virginia has the capability within their states constitution to impeach and convict with their state house and senate. The Democrats control both the state house and state senate. So easy to guess which direction that will go.

So their the odds are extremely low of him getting removed from office anytime soon, and not before the bills have passed and have become enforceable.

Like I have sadly stated in previous posts, but I honestly doubt anyone will do anything other then file a case with SCOTUS, and comply or hide in the mean time, with a few arrest and convictions being handed down.

There might be a few outbreaks of violence and lost lives here and there, just like there were several so far as a result of red flag laws.

Should they loose with SCOTUS, or SCOTUS refuses to hear the case, and what happens after that. Who knows. Only time will tell.

There are times in American history where the common civilians have picked up their arms, and have put their lives on the line and face horrible odds and horrible outcomes in fighting for what they believe in. Two wars that happened in were the Civil War and Revolution. When enough of us feel oppressed that will happen.

It happens the world over for all times. When enough people who feel oppressed for too long they will rise up. It has happened many times. In Russia twice, France, Spain, Ireland, and the list goes on...

If the democrats keep pushing it will happen, who really knows when though.

 

[SlimJim]

There are other means by the which to effect change such as recall elections and SCOTUS.

The 2A as a defense to domestic enemies was intended as a last resort. Seems like som here are running Fitbit marathons just thinking about a chance to live out their LARP fantasies. And I’m betting that most have no idea just how horrible such an event would actually be.

*Zips up FR jacket*


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can they be successful at a recall election especially since the Gov. Was just voted in?

There are some here that think last resort is when they begin locking citizens up or they are at your door to confiscate your guns. It is too late then. What is an example of what you consider the last resort?

It would be horrible but let's remember who is driving this. It is not law abiding citizens but rather elected officials with 0 understanding of Constitutional rights. Living under oppression is horrible too.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

 

[jordanmills]

There are other means by the which to effect change such as recall elections and SCOTUS.

The 2A as a defense to domestic enemies was intended as a last resort. Seems like som here are running Fitbit marathons just thinking about a chance to live out their LARP fantasies. And I’m betting that most have no idea just how horrible such an event would actually be.

*Zips up FR jacket*


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I do not disagree. I haven't been in it, but it seems clear that war is hell. I'd be willing to consider paying significant price in time, money, effort, and pride to avoid it - almost anything short of life, liberty, and justice. The treasonous left may not give us a choice, but I'd really like to avoid us having to take up arms.

 

[toddnjoyce]

...There are some here that think last resort is when they begin locking citizens up or they are at your door to confiscate your guns. It is too late then. What is an example of what you consider the last resort?

Most everyone will have their own definition of last resort. My last resort is after all other remedies have been tried, to include moving to a state more favorable to 2A rights, if it came down to it. And the reason for that is because those powers not delegated to the federal government nor assigned to the people are reserved for the state.

If you look back to the Declaration of Independence, the case was made

“...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government...”

That [Despotism] hasn’t happened yet; and whether one agrees or not, it has been held constitutional that both state and federal governments can regulate firearms and most things related to firearms.

The people of Virginia don’t have to convince themselves their actions are justified...they have to convince 330+M Americans in 49 other states that their actions are justified, because that is the court of public opinion that will try them.

But right now, there’s whole fields full of rhetoric and bravado being thrown around by individuals, and some really smart moves by the local governments.

 

[O.S.O.K. 1961]

They just voted the communists into control.
They are stupid and deserve some "elections have consequences" experience.

A lesson we need to take heed of. It hasn’t been that long ago we had a dim Governor... (Ann Richards) and our state is getting more and more dims by the day... and without researching it, I’d bet our voter turn-out this last election was no better than Virginia’s.

 

[GunnutJack]

No worries; I would highly recommend you become well versed on our use of force laws in addition to TPC 30.06 and 30.07 the exceptions to those statutes, and the defenses to prosecution for all the above.

While I bought my guns for FAMILY PROTECTION.....my main enjoyment is Target shooting.

Yes after our conversation I did start reading the laws here but realized I'm going to need a few pots of coffee to comprehend it all.

Some same as Pennsylvania some not.....

The open carry issue I misunderstood for Texas requires a CHL from what I read.....Correct??

Pennsylvania if you hadn't applied for your CHL the handgun must be in plain view.

 

[toddnjoyce]

...The open carry issue I misunderstood for Texas requires a CHL from what I read.....Correct??

In most instances to carry a handgun on your person, a Texas License to Carry (LTC) is required, whether carried openly or concealed.

The big exceptions are for property you own or control, a vehicle you own or control, or going directly from one to another.

The Motorist Protection Act allows a handgun not in plain view in the vehicle.

There are some recently enacted exceptions relating to being evacuated.

Long guns have no such restrictions.

That’s the tip of the iceberg.

 

[majormadmax]

Sorry I misunderstood then as I said I am NEW(er) to Texas....only being here 2 years.

Then I highly recommend you study this...

https://www.dps.texas.gov/internetforms/Forms/LTC-16.pdf

 

[toddnjoyce]

...without researching it, I’d bet our voter turn-out this last election was no better than Virginia’s.

I have researched it. The percentage of registered voters that participated in the 2016 election was roughly the same for both states at about 60%. Texas had a higher percentage turn out in 2018, attributable to the US Senate race. That was an anomaly for a mid-cycle election.

For everyone that keeps saying ‘we have to keep that from happening here’, I’m curious how many actually give time (not treasure) to their state party, county, and candidate efforts to win. That’s what the Ds Are really good at...raising money to pay people to lead and participate in grass roots motivation.

Whereas Rs in Texas typically take their votes for granted. Hell, Cruz didn’t take Beto seriously until it was almost too late.

 

[avvidclif]

30.06/30.07 are all but repealed by now. They don't apply to anyone who makes even a token effort at volunteering for neighborhood emergency coordination, radio comms, etc. What we need is for LTCs to have the same protections and exemptions that LEOs have.

You want to give LTC's the same protections and exemptions as retired LEO's. Ok go thru a 3-6 month training on laws, rules, shooting, and procedures. Then put in 15+ years on the force using what you have been taught and you can have those privileges.

Not to demean the LTC folks but an 8 hr course and a mickey mouse qualifying course does not equal the training and experience. Just as in anything there are exceptions. Some LTC's take it seriously and practice and study the laws.

Another note, retired LEO's cannot open carry unless they are also LTC's

 

[GunnutJack]

Then I highly recommend you study this...

https://www.dps.texas.gov/internetforms/Forms/LTC-16.pdf

Thank you!!!

 

[oldag]

And the reason for that is because those powers not delegated to the federal government nor assigned to the people are reserved for the state.

Sadly, this has been almost entirely forgotten/ignored.