Round in the chamber?
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Axxe55
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If you are carrying a semi-auto pistol, (which if I had to assume, most people that carry, are going to carry a semi-auto.) without having a round chambered, how would you rack the slide to chamber a round, IF you were using the other hand and arm to fight off the attacker, and trying to bring your pistol into action, or if your hand and arm were injured and couldn't be used to rack the slide?
An alternative to such a scenario, would be to carry a revolver. since then, all a person would have to do is just keep pulling the trigger. But, with a revolver, the number of rounds is somewhat limited, which is why I think many people tend to prefer the capacity of semi-auto pistols over revolvers.
An alternative to such a scenario, would be to carry a revolver. since then, all a person would have to do is just keep pulling the trigger. But, with a revolver, the number of rounds is somewhat limited, which is why I think many people tend to prefer the capacity of semi-auto pistols over revolvers.
Well, there's the way in the video just above your post. There are those huge hooked rear sights. If you're using an optic on the slide, that's an even bigger hook. I'm sure there are other ways.
I don't like any of those methods and I would never carry a semi auto without a round chambered. However, in all fairness, I must take note of the fact that methods to accomplish this do exist. They're all kinda kludgy but they exist.
Case in point my right hand is injured but I saw a couple raccoons ganging up on one of the cats on my cameras. Grabbed the pistol with laser sight to overcome shooting weak hand in the dark but there was no round in the chamber. Hooked the rear sight on a porch post to rack it on the way out the door.
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Yep. That's one of the reasons most high-level Free Pistol competitors switched to electronic triggers decades ago.
Axxe55
Retiretgtshit stirrer
No they haven't. There is no way any gun can fire unless there is human intervention with the gun, as in the trigger being pulled. In some VERY rare cases of actual mechanical defects, yes, it's possible for a gun to fire without the trigger being pulled. But, these are rare occurrences, and there is still human intervention.
I can take a gun, chamber a round, cock the hammer, lay it on a shelf and come back twenty years from now, and it will never have fired that round in it.
Axxe55
Retiretgtshit stirrer
I agree. And such things would also work well for someone with a disability that wanted to carry, that say had a missing arm or hand, or had damage to either that prevented them from being able to use both hands to rack the slide.
I'm glad that such options exist, especially for those who are handicapped and still want to carry for self defense. But for the average health, non-infirmed person, it seems silly to intentionally handicap yourself when you don't have to. This is why I carry chambered.
Yeah, they have. It's very, very rare but it's happened.
But that doesn't apply to all pistols.
There has been more than one Olympic-level pistol shooter who, much to his consternation, had to deal with his pistol firing itself while he took a break. Decades ago, it was possible to take a highly tuned free pistol to the line during the cool of the morning to begin a match. Since the weather was cool the trigger sear would hold. However, if you laid it on the bench, loaded, and took a long break as it rapidly warmed up in the sun, it could fire without any human interaction.
Since those times, the rules and tech have changed. Matches are shorter now so people don't take long breaks. Pistols must be unloaded with chamber indicators if you do take a break. And electronic triggers have pretty much taken over.
But the fact remains that, however rare it is (and it's incredibly rare), properly designed and functioning pistols sitting on a shelf have fired themselves.
tl;dr - Absolute statements just encourage people to go look for exceptions.
You might want to talk to Sig and Taurus about that. Their recall were for guns that fired when dropped. Also remember that FBI agent that did the flip, his gun dropped and shot someone in the leg. I am not disagreeing with carrying one in the chamber but firing a gun has not always required a trigger pull.
I'm pretty sure the FBI dude had an ND when he picked the gun up.
But I might not be remembering properly.
Axxe55
Retiretgtshit stirrer
That is still human interaction with the gun. Defective or not, if the gun wasn't handled by a human being, it would never have gone off.l I'll stand by my previous posts on the subject.
Axxe55
Retiretgtshit stirrer
Yeah, they have. It's very, very rare but it's happened.
But that doesn't apply to all pistols.
There has been more than one Olympic-level pistol shooter who, much to his consternation, had to deal with his pistol firing itself while he took a break. Decades ago, it was possible to take a highly tuned free pistol to the line during the cool of the morning to begin a match. Since the weather was cool the trigger sear would hold. However, if you laid it on the bench, loaded, and took a long break as it rapidly warmed up in the sun, it could fire without any human interaction.
Since those times, the rules and tech have changed. Matches are shorter now so people don't take long breaks. Pistols must be unloaded with chamber indicators if you do take a break. And electronic triggers have pretty much taken over.
But the fact remains that, however rare it is (and it's incredibly rare), properly designed and functioning pistols sitting on a shelf have fired themselves.
tl;dr - Absolute statements just encourage people to go look for exceptions.
You are correct about the absolutes. I'll concede that point. But the scenario you described is one I would think to be a very rare exception. And I'll bet it took some detective work to figure it out.
I think in most scenarios there is human interaction but the guns I shipped back to Taurus and Sig could have easily been loaded and on a shelf, anything that shakes the shelf and they fall and fire. California, Oklahoma, anywhere they have a tremor. Have been in California with some pretty major shakes. So, if the gun has an inherent safety issue and it can go off if it hits the ground it doesn't have to be human intervention. Then the argument is can a gun fall without human intervention.
That example is not at all germane to this thread topic. Not even a little.Yeah, they have. It's very, very rare but it's happened.
But that doesn't apply to all pistols.
There has been more than one Olympic-level pistol shooter who, much to his consternation, had to deal with his pistol firing itself while he took a break. Decades ago, it was possible to take a highly tuned free pistol to the line during the cool of the morning to begin a match. Since the weather was cool the trigger sear would hold. However, if you laid it on the bench, loaded, and took a long break as it rapidly warmed up in the sun, it could fire without any human interaction.
Since those times, the rules and tech have changed. Matches are shorter now so people don't take long breaks. Pistols must be unloaded with chamber indicators if you do take a break. And electronic triggers have pretty much taken over.
But the fact remains that, however rare it is (and it's incredibly rare), properly designed and functioning pistols sitting on a shelf have fired themselves.
tl;dr - Absolute statements just encourage people to go look for exceptions.
May be good for an "I proved you wrong", but in context it is not contributing to the discussion.
