Coronavirus Epidemic, Part 2

[toddnjoyce]

...If there is no excess mortality due to covid, why did El Paso, Tarrant County, and other cities across the US need refrigerated trailers to store the bodies when they ran out of space in their morgues during the peaks?

Excess capacity procurement can be due to mortuary protocols or other factors such as funeral home restrictions, etc. whether that capacity is actually used is different than having the capacity on hand because it’s part of one of the various COVID stimulus spending bills. Remember, Uncle Sam put a hospital ship in NYC that went unused because the local pols decided it would be better (politically) to hide COVID patients in nursing home beds instead of being seen as accepting help from the then current federal administration. That decision alone most likely led to excess deaths.

Mass casualty events don’t automatically result in excess mortality over time. You can just as easily get excess mortality within existing system capacity spread over time.

Is it likely mortality rate has increased? Yes. Do we know the extent yet? Possibly early data indications, but we won’t have final data for a while.

 

[oldag]

Covid is difficult because it can attack and damage most of the organ systems especially if a cytokine storm is involved. The hypoxia that comes with it can also damage many organ systems. On top of that there is the problem of blood clots that is common with covid. The clots can travel to various parts of the body and cause damage. They can cause strokes in the brain, heart attacks, pulmonary embolism, and damage to any organ of the body. The clots block blood flow to part or to an entire organ depending on their size and the artery they are obstructing. So a person with covid may die of a stroke, heart attack or renal failure caused by a blood clot but they also died with covid.

Not to mention the guy in Colorado whose blood alcohol content was above the lethal limit (drank himself to death) but was recorded as a Covid death because the virus was in the body.

 

[oldag]

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and Race and Ethnicity — United States, January 26–October 3, 2020

That link does not address my points either.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Photos show El Paso using refrigerated trucks in parking lots to store a backlog of bodies from a new COVID-19 surge

That’s an interesting photo. There’s three dudes, at least one of which doesn’t appear to have a mask and one of which is appears to be an LEO because of the duty belt that appears to have several sets of handcuff cases on it and a holstered sidearm on the right side.

I’m not saying it’s fake, but it’s certainly interesting given the circumstances.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

It's the internet, it must be true....

 

[DubiousDan]

That’s an interesting photo. There’s three dudes, at least one of which doesn’t appear to have a mask and one of which is appears to be an LEO because of the duty belt that appears to have several sets of handcuff cases on it and a holstered sidearm on the right side.

I’m not saying it’s fake, but it’s certainly interesting given the circumstances.

I can't tell if there is a mask or not.

 

[DubiousDan]

That link does not address my points either.

 

[DubiousDan]

That’s an interesting photo. There’s three dudes, at least one of which doesn’t appear to have a mask and one of which is appears to be an LEO because of the duty belt that appears to have several sets of handcuff cases on it and a holstered sidearm on the right side.

I’m not saying it’s fake, but it’s certainly interesting given the circumstances.

Just a thought, since the trailers are outside I'm sure they are locked. Perhaps the security guard/officer has the keys. I don't know if a hospital or a government agency has control of the trailers.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I can't tell if there is a mask or not.

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What I don’t see on the dude with the brown smock is any contrasting color behind the ears or pressing into the hair. Just an impression, but it’s why I used the word appears.

 

[cvgunman]

What I don’t see on the dude with the brown smock is any contrasting color behind the ears or pressing into the hair. Just an impression, but it’s why I used the word appears.

To me there appears to be four in the trailer. What doesn't appear to me, and it could be the angle of the trailer, is a reefer unit?

 

[toddnjoyce]

To me there appears to be four in the trailer. What doesn't appear to me, and it could be the angle of the trailer, is a reefer unit?

First, it’s not a trailer, it’s a 10’ or 20’ reefer conex/shipping container. The MHE points on the four corners give that away. I’ll buy it’s a cold storage unit based on this.

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[jrbfishn]

There are links in the article to raw numbers you have to follow them. If I do the leg work and post the numbers you'll just say the numbers are made up or inflated so why should I bother.

If there is no excess mortality due to covid, why did El Paso, Tarrant County, and other cities across the US need refrigerated trailers to store the bodies when they ran out of space in their morgues during the peaks?

For the third time, what I posted was in response to a graphic posted by kbaxter. What he posted had numbers that claimed to come from the CDC. The numbers in his graphic were made up and did not come from the CDC and I pointed that out. Why don't you ask him about his numbers?

What I trust more than any numbers from any source are the former coworkers I still talk to. When they tell me that in December their hospital had three full floors filled with covid patients, I have no reason to doubt them. When they tell me about the numbers of people that were are dying, I have no reason to doubt them. Never in all the years that I was working was there an entire floor filled with flu patients, or even a single wing with flu patients. Not even during the swine flu epidemic. During my time I took care of many flu patients and I can't recall a single adult patient that I admitted as an inpatient. I know there were some but it is nothing like now.

Sorry, but I read the article. Thought I may have missed something so I read it again. And then followed links. Guess what. Not a single mention of any number that would allow them to figure any percentages or excess deaths. None, nada, zip, zero.
Without a total number you have no valid percentages. Period. You don't have to be a math wiz or doctor to figure that out.
Just claims and suppositions.
As for how many were admitted to hospitals to fill them up? When was the last time the government paid hospitals to admit patients whether they really needed to be or not? I'll wait.
When was the last time probable or even possible cases were counted as actual cases? Or as a cause of death?

There is no doubt that covid 19 contributed to the number of deaths. NONE. How many and to what extent remains to be seen.
Without total number of deaths, as well as the totals for causes of death, the report you cite as as proof is invalid.
You CAN NOT show any percent or excess without VALID base numbers. Period. I don't care how good at math or medicine you are.

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[DubiousDan]

Sorry, but I read the article. Thought I may have missed something so I read it again. And then followed links. Guess what. Not a single mention of any number that would allow them to figure any percentages or excess deaths. None, nada, zip, zero.
Without a total number you have no valid percentages. Period. You don't have to be a math wiz or doctor to figure that out.
Just claims and suppositions.
As for how many were admitted to hospitals to fill them up? When was the last time the government paid hospitals to admit patients whether they really needed to be or not? I'll wait.
When was the last time probable or even possible cases were counted as actual cases? Or as a cause of death?

There is no doubt that covid 19 contributed to the number of deaths. NONE. How many and to what extent remains to be seen.
Without total number of deaths, as well as the totals for causes of death, the report you cite as as proof is invalid.
You CAN NOT show any percent or excess without VALID base numbers. Period. I don't care how good at math or medicine you are.

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How many people do yo think died as the result of covid? If you have more accurate numbers than the CDC please post them.

 

[DubiousDan]

Sorry, but I read the article. Thought I may have missed something so I read it again. And then followed links. Guess what. Not a single mention of any number that would allow them to figure any percentages or excess deaths. None, nada, zip, zero.
Without a total number you have no valid percentages. Period. You don't have to be a math wiz or doctor to figure that out.
Just claims and suppositions.
As for how many were admitted to hospitals to fill them up? When was the last time the government paid hospitals to admit patients whether they really needed to be or not? I'll wait.
When was the last time probable or even possible cases were counted as actual cases? Or as a cause of death?

There is no doubt that covid 19 contributed to the number of deaths. NONE. How many and to what extent remains to be seen.
Without total number of deaths, as well as the totals for causes of death, the report you cite as as proof is invalid.
You CAN NOT show any percent or excess without VALID base numbers. Period. I don't care how good at math or medicine you are.

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No doubt your numbers are more accurate than any I can find but I'll leave these here:

Some totals on the left

Here you can find data for each state

 

[kbaxter60]

If there is no excess mortality due to covid, why did El Paso, Tarrant County, and other cities across the US need refrigerated trailers to store the bodies when they ran out of space in their morgues during the peaks?

That is an excellent question. Got any pictures of those trailers, stuffed full? Share 'em if you got 'em. I, for one, am not buying it.
There was a guy on social media, who was going into all those overloaded, packed hospitals and got live video of....wait for it....crickets. Each time, security threw him out, but not before the empty waiting rooms were seen. Empty exam rooms. Fricking ghost towns. He did several "critical level medical facilities" before he got shut down. So, yeah, if you got any proof otherwise, it would be good to see it.

For the third time, what I posted was in response to a graphic posted by kbaxter. What he posted had numbers that claimed to come from the CDC. The numbers in his graphic were made up and did not come from the CDC and I pointed that out. Why don't you ask him about his numbers?

For the first time, when I posted the graphic I STATED that I could not confirm the numbers. I think it's rather hilarious if it's true we can't get *2019* numbers this far into 2021, but it's Biden's America so who knows? The whole thing becomes almost a comedy. CDC: we don't actually have numbers to share for two whole years, but trust us...they are WAAAAYYYYYY up. Yeah. And if you like your doctor....
Oh, nevermind.
This is getting old and I am DONE with the whole thing. Masks, government overreach, six feet, face shields, Karens. ALL. Of. IT.
You want to be a scared sheep? Be a scared sheep. It's a free country.
Baaaa!

 

[DubiousDan]

How are COVID-19 deaths counted? It’s complicated

 

[Vaquero]

How are COVID-19 deaths counted? It’s complicated

Dominion software?

 

[DubiousDan]

That is an excellent question. Got any pictures of those trailers, stuffed full? Share 'em if you got 'em. I, for one, am not buying it.
There was a guy on social media, who was going into all those overloaded, packed hospitals and got live video of....wait for it....crickets. Each time, security threw him out, but not before the empty waiting rooms were seen. Empty exam rooms. Fricking ghost towns. He did several "critical level medical facilities" before he got shut down. So, yeah, if you got any proof otherwise, it would be good to see it.

For the first time, when I posted the graphic I STATED that I could not confirm the numbers. I think it's rather hilarious if it's true we can't get *2019* numbers this far into 2021, but it's Biden's America so who knows? The whole thing becomes almost a comedy. CDC: we don't actually have numbers to share for two whole years, but trust us...they are WAAAAYYYYYY up. Yeah. And if you like your doctor....
Oh, nevermind.
This is getting old and I am DONE with the whole thing. Masks, government overreach, six feet, face shields, Karens. ALL. Of. IT.
You want to be a scared sheep? Be a scared sheep. It's a free country.
Baaaa!

They can report the number they have so far without knowing what the final total will be.

 

[DubiousDan]

Dominion software?

Read the full article and find out.

 

[DubiousDan]

For the first time, when I posted the graphic I STATED that I could not confirm the numbers. I

I did not intend a dig at you, just the inaccuracies of the meme.

There was a guy on social media, who was going into all those overloaded, packed hospitals and got live video of....wait for it....crickets. Each time, security threw him out, but not before the empty waiting rooms were seen. Empty exam rooms. Fricking ghost towns. He did several "critical level medical facilities" before he got shut down. So, yeah, if you got any proof otherwise, it would be good to see it.

How do you know the guy on social media is telling the truth, show a link. I take anything that comes from social media with a grain of salt. I know that University Hospital in San Antonio had three floors full of covid patients in December. I know this from former coworkers, whom I trust, who are working there.