I don't like this at all. The likelihood that any non-LEO in a self-defense situation will need to reload and continue the fight is so vanishingly small that requiring that skill be demonstrated to get a license canNOT be based on any logical argument.So overall, you had to show that you had familiarity with your weapon, enough so that you could do a reload on a locked back slide WHILE shooting, and continue shooting within the time limit.
at not thinking up idiotic fudd roadblocks to keep other people from exercising their 2A rights.… I think we as "gunners" should strive to be better…
Was this some sort of preparatory class or was it the class to actually get the license?Thinking back to my first Texas concealed carry class, mid 90’s, we had to shoot, load mags, reload, demonstrate weapons manipulation/ safety handling, etc
out to at 15 yards. I remember one qual where we shot to 25 yards.
My wife and I intentionally moved here to escape the elitist nanny state environment of the Northeast. Constitutional carry was not a small part of that attraction. I was, and remain somewhat confused and uncomfortable with the continued existence of an LTC in a state that recognizes that 2A doesn't give anyone a right. Rather it is supposed to prevent the government from restricting that right.If the government gets involved at all it needs to be for the least amount required. Striving to be better is a great thing it’s just why should our standards be everyone’s who’s mentally competent? I won’t stand in the way of some old guy who’s going to be slower.
My basic requirements would be good judgment and understanding what accuracy they are capable of. That’s it. I’m over nanny state crap.
I agree with not making "reloading" a requirement on the state level for a license but I seriously disagree with "vanishingly small" that you will never have to reload. That type of thought is what leads people to not practice reloading and makes them worse off as shooters.I don't like this at all. The likelihood that any non-LEO in a self-defense situation will need to reload and continue the fight is so vanishingly small that requiring that skill be demonstrated to get a license canNOT be based on any logical argument.
Whoever put that into the law in Cali just wanted to make the process more difficult. The reasons for that can come from every side. Pro-gun elitists may want to belong to a more exclusive club. Anti-gun folks may simply want to throw up a roadblock because they don't like guns on general principles. But whoever is responsible for that part of the law is definitely no friend to gun owners.
at not thinking up idiotic fudd roadblocks to keep other people from exercising their 2A rights.
In principle, I agree. In practice, I'll hang on to my LTC because it's useful for much more than just carrying a handgun.I don't think ANY other "classification" by government of a citizen's ability to exercise their rights is a "good".
You made some good valid points.
But I do have to agree somewhat with what Caligunner said about as gun owners we should take it amongst ourselves to strive to be better. I am glad Texas has CC. But Texas still has a long way to go to make it better.
FJB.
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No one is suggesting road blocks to 2A rights in serious way (thought that was clear with the Dicken's Drill comment), but if you can't reload your gun in a proficient manner during a shooting drill, you're simply putting yourself at a big disadvantage as a shooter in any encounter. Plain and simple. Call me "elitist" all you want.
Was this some sort of preparatory class or was it the class to actually get the license?
I got my first license at roughly that same time and I never ran into most of that. All of that is a good idea in a class teaching people to shoot. But almost none of it, AFAIK, has ever been a part of the basic class to get your paperwork for the state.
If the generally accepted rounds expended for most self-defense shooting is 3 to 5 rounds, please then explain where a reload, or carrying a spare mag would be necessary?I agree with not making "reloading" a requirement on the state level for a license but I seriously disagree with "vanishingly small" that you will never have to reload. That type of thought is what leads people to not practice reloading and makes them worse off as shooters.
I have the same disagreement with guys who carry without a spare mag (met these types in California and Texas).
We have to agree to disagree on that.
We have to agree to disagree on that
Many permit holders and armed citizens don’t carry a spare magazine, and both John Correia’s and Tom Givens’ data set indicate that the need to reload an empty gun during defensive incidents is extremely rare (odds of less than 0.1%).
Becoming more proficient with our firearms should be the goal of every gun owner, without a doubt. But Caligunner seems hell bent that ther should be standards imposed to have those who wish to carry will have to comply with before they can carry. His argument lacks any merit or evidence that supports his assertion.You made some good valid points.
But I do have to agree somewhat with what Caligunner said about as gun owners we should take it amongst ourselves to strive to be better. I am glad Texas has CC. But Texas still has a long way to go to make it better.
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Average shooting takes place in 3 seconds, 3 rounds at 3 feet.I agree with not making "reloading" a requirement on the state level for a license but I seriously disagree with "vanishingly small" that you will never have to reload. That type of thought is what leads people to not practice reloading and makes them worse off as shooters.
I have the same disagreement with guys who carry without a spare mag (met these types in California and Texas).
We have to agree to disagree on that.
Might as well make participation in IDPA or USPSA competitions a requirement to obtain or renew an LTC.
How often you ask @CaliGunner? As often as I can, which is at best once a month.
Add to the expense - unless you’re shooting on your own land or a buddy’s ranch (which is not often for me), add the cost of range fees and drive time. You’ll appreciate the vast amount of BLM land available to shoot for no fee back in Kamalafornia. Notwithstanding, I’d gladly pay double what I pay now to play instead of being back in the turdhole!
Likely crossed paths at some point or another out at Hodge.I used to be a Hodge Road regular, so I definitely appreciated BLM land back when I was in Cali (still would never go back for even double the salary).