Axxe55
Retiretgtshit stirrer
I use to have the T-shirt that said that!
I use to have the T-shirt that said that!
Ditto. 28+ years. Some sort of gun was in the trunk 98% of the time. I adapted.I worked for the feds for 12 years and we could not have a firearm in our vehicle on federal property. You risk immediate termination and a felony charge for a violation.
That's very common. A lot of weasel shit inserted into employee handbooks by the insurance company and staff lawyer.Our work situation was bizarre.
No guns allowed was in the employee handbook, but the property had zero signage against any visitors carrying inside.
From USCCA the presenter discusses what if anything one can do about your employer says no guns allowed or you can't work here. Can you change the policy or find another job? Carry anyway and hope no one notices.
I am for any business to have their own rules about guns. If one doesn't like them work somewhere else or hide the gun and hope no one sees it.
From USCCA the presenter discusses what if anything one can do about your employer says no guns allowed or you can't work here. Can you change the policy or find another job? Carry anyway and hope no one notices.
I am for any business to have their own rules about guns. If one doesn't like them work somewhere else or hide the gun and hope no one sees it.
I worked for the feds for 12 years and we could not have a firearm in our vehicle on federal property. You risk immediate termination and a felony charge for a violation. Of course, we had armed security on site at work but that did nothing for you on your drive home or stopping at a store after work. I wrote one of my Senators to ask for an allowance for LTC holders but he was too chicken to sponsor a change in the law.
Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
(e)
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 2½ inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
(Added PUB. L. 100–690, TITLE VI, § 6215(A), Nov. 18, 1988, 102 STAT. 4361; amended PUB. L. 101–647, TITLE XXII, § 2205(A), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 STAT. 4857; PUB. L. 103–322, TITLE VI, § 60014, Sept. 13, 1994, 108 STAT. 1973; PUB. L. 104–294, TITLE VI, § 603(T), (u), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 STAT. 3506; PUB. L. 107–56, TITLE VIII, § 811(B), Oct. 26, 2001, 115 STAT. 381; PUB. L. 110–177, TITLE II, § 203, Jan. 7, 2008, 121 STAT. 2537.)
A felony conviction for what? It is not illegal to have a personally-owned firearm on Federal property unless it's the Post Office.
18 U.S. Code §930 clearly states (and focus on the word "facility," which I've highlighted):
I take firearms on Federal property all the time, to shoot at the Sportsman's Range at Camp Bullis for example.
There is a huge "No Guns!" sign on the door to range control due to the above law, but it is not illegal to have firearms on the military installation!
If anything, it's a base commander's policy; and you cannot receive a felony conviction for failing to abide by it, but you can be restricted from coming on base!
Being “retired” now, they can all just go to Hell. If a business, I may try to explain to owner the ramifications & that they are excluding their most desirable customers, not criminals.When that happened to me, my gun was locked in my car while I was working. Yes, I could have concealed it without anyone knowing. But my principles have always said, "Your house, your rules." If I cannot abide your rules, I go elsewhere.
I'm retired!Luckily I am self employed and have no signs posted on me my home office or my vehicle.
When that happened to me, my gun was locked in my car while I was working. Yes, I could have concealed it without anyone knowing. But my principles have always said, "Your house, your rules." If I cannot abide your rules, I go elsewhere.
We have to remember you don't support the rights of property owner!The problem you describe is a "conflict of rights".
AMEN !Doesn't stop them from posting crap to scare people though.
When I was towing, occasionally I'd wind up getting a call at the VA hospital. VA hospital is situated on the campus of a state-owned university hospital. You get to the edge of the "Federal property" and there are "NO GUNS ALLOWED ON THIS PROPERTY" signs, with indications that bringing a gun onto said property is a crime, not just taking the gun into the building. Its not exactly like there's guard shacks (a state owned road ran thru the campus) and controlled access.
Its still bullshit that you can't carry into a damn posted office but there's not a senator or congressman that has the balls to forward a bill to strike that nonsense down.
The politics and drama ain't worth the money.