Type II Diabetes

[vmax]

Semiglutide for weight loss seems to have a better effect on those with more to lose.

Ive seen a few people who are otherwise pretty lean and very active and wanted to lose 15 or 20 lbs and it didn't work that well for them

 

[benenglish]

Semiglutide for weight loss seems to have a better effect on those with more to lose.

Everything works better for people with a lot to lose.

When I weighed between 400 and 650 pounds, I used to joke that I could lose 20 pounds by skipping a meal.

 

[oldag]

I thought that too. I guess some of the vidoes from the program helped with that. I found out that I was eating when I was bored not really hungry.

Common issue.

 

[bbbass]

I wrote this info in another thread:

From my research and doc visits over the years. Diet alone is not what causes Type II diabetes, but rather "contributes" to it. Type II is a metabolic disease and they medical field is still not sure what causes it exactly. However, some things are known.

Risk factors for developing Type II diabetes:

1. Having the genetic DNA for Type II.

2. Habitual Overeating, particularly of carb saturated and fat saturated foods. Those foods that combine both, like pie or donuts are higher risk. But high amounts of pasta and bread can be a problem also. These habits lead to insulin saturation and high triglycerides (blood fats) and the body can eventually say "so what" to the insulin the pancreas is making. Then the pancreas wears down and stops making as much insulin, eventually not making any. High triglycerides are particularly hard on the pancreas, where your insulin is made, and I can tell you that chronic and acute pancreatitis is no fun and can lead to pancreatic cancer.

3. Obesity: Being more than 30% overweight.

4. Being sedentary. This encourages Metabolic X Syndrome. Which messes up several body functions:

"Metabolic syndrome is a cluster of conditions that occur together, increasing your risk of heart disease, stroke and type 2 diabetes. These conditions include increased blood pressure, high blood sugar, excess body fat around the waist, and abnormal cholesterol or triglyceride levels."

I have genetically high triglycerides. For 40yrs now. Nothing I do brings them down to normal. But when they got over 800, I got pancreatitis. And was in the hospital on morphine and no food for 5 days. One time, they were unreadable >1200.

Eliminate any one of these four risk factors and you are very unlikely to develop Type II diabetes.

IMO carb reduction diets in moderation and moderate exercise are very good ways to keep DM at bay and to reverse early symptoms.

Being diabetic is like being alcoholic and there is some evidence that the DNA for both is connected. But once a diabetic, always a diabetic... even if one is not symptomatic.

I take 100iu of Lantus every morning and my sliding scale for Novolog is way too high and needs to come down, which it would if I would eat less and not cheat on the sweet stuff. But 20yrs of dieting is difficult for me. That said, I've managed to keep my A1c down below 6, which is damn good.

Problem being is that insulin puts the food into the cells, I got fat. And my fat is around my waistline. Which is not good. BP is around 180 or so w/o meds to control it. I have neuropathy from various periods of misbehaving, and Diabetic Macular Edema has taken much of the vision in my dominant eye due to a period spent on wildfire duty when I wasn't taking care of myself.

I wouldn't worry about being "pre-diabetic" unless you meet all 4 of the risk factors above. If you do, and you don't want to develop full blown type II, then something gotta change.

 

[benenglish]

To oversimplify, the way I understand it is that if you have the genetic propensity, you will get diabetes if you live long enough. Diet and exercise can push into the future the day when you become diabetic.

The key takeaway is to use diet and exercise to push the onset of your diabetes until sometime after you've died of something else.

Reasonable?

 

[vmax]

Robert Lustig is a leading authority on Type 2 diabetes cause

 

[toddnjoyce]

Lifestyle is a major thing for many "diseases"

This is stuck on my refrigerator door.

 

[MTA]

I worked at a home depot back when I got out of the usmc. There was a lady who worked there that was atleast 300 pounds. She had type 2 diabetes and was only in her 30s. She ended up getting that gastric bypass surgery and lost a ton of weight from not being able to eat as much. Her diabetes was cured about a year after she had the surgery

My old man has it but he likes to eat ice cream by the carton. His is purely dietary too. I believe that an early adoption of a keto esque lifestyle will negate the risk for most people. We arent suppose to eat processed sugars and carbs en masse imo

 

[mroper]

Risk factors for developing Type II diabetes:

1. Having the genetic DNA for Type II.

2. Habitual Overeating, particularly of carb saturated and fat saturated foods. Those foods that combine both, like pie or donuts are higher risk. But high amounts of pasta and bread can be a problem also. These habits lead to insulin saturation and high triglycerides (blood fats) and the body can eventually say "so what" to the insulin the pancreas is making. Then the pancreas wears down and stops making as much insulin, eventually not making any. High triglycerides are particularly hard on the pancreas, where your insulin is made, and I can tell you that chronic and acute pancreatitis is no fun and can lead to pancreatic cancer.

3. Obesity: Being more than 30% overweight.

4. Being sedentary. This encourages Metabolic X Syndrome. Which messes up several body functions:

This was me. I wasn't feeling that great went to doctor he took labs he called my at night triglcerides about 1200. He said get to the emergency rroom. While in Hospital they started givng me insulin. However they never said to change diet . I was about to leave hospital on my own. I said Let me cut out the fruit cup and High carb meals my blood sugar went down and I was released.

 

[vmax]

I have a question for those diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes.
How many of you have been told you are at a higher risk of developing Alzheimers by your doctors and what can be done to lower that?

This association is well-documented but I wonder how much it is communicated to the patients.

 

[kbaxter60]

This was me. I wasn't feeling that great went to doctor he took labs he called my at night triglcerides about 1200. He said get to the emergency rroom. While in Hospital they started givng me insulin. However they never said to change diet . I was about to leave hospital on my own. I said Let me cut out the fruit cup and High carb meals my blood sugar went down and I was released.

And how are you doing since getting sprung? Has your diet changed significantly and what happened to those triglycerides?

 

[seeker_two]

I have a question for those diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes.
How many of you have been told you are at a higher risk of developing Alzheimers by your doctors and what can be done to lower that?

Had an appointment recently, but I don't remember....

 

[leVieux]

To oversimplify, the way I understand it is that if you have the genetic propensity, you will get diabetes if you live long enough. Diet and exercise can push into the future the day when you become diabetic.

The key takeaway is to use diet and exercise to push the onset of your diabetes until sometime after you've died of something else.

Reasonable?

Yes, most of maintenance medical practice involves ‘’delaying actions’’.

 

[vmax]

Had an appointment recently, but I don't remember....

I see what you did there

 

[bbbass]

I have a question for those diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes.
How many of you have been told you are at a higher risk of developing Alzheimers by your doctors and what can be done to lower that?

This association is well-documented but I wonder how much it is communicated to the patients.

Nope.... they never mentioned it. Must be relatively new info?

 

[vmax]

Nope.... they never mentioned it. Must be relatively new info?

Not at all
It has been known over a decade
This is just one for failure in our approach to medicine
Read up on it

Its one more reason to try and reverse type 2 diabetes as soon as you know you have it.

Sadly my dad was a casualty of this.
He was diagnosed with Type 2 at about age 50 I think
All he was told was keep shooting insulin.
Very little about diet or processed carbs.
So his diseased progressed and they just kept treating the symptoms

He ended up with full Alzheimers by his early 70s.
Looking back he had symptoms prior to that

 

[bbbass]

My old man has it but he likes to eat ice cream by the carton.

AFAIK, most type II patients do not change habits or do so for awhile, then backslide. This is why we see so many foot/leg amputations among diabetics, and why we also see so much "death due to diabetic complications".

This was me. I wasn't feeling that great went to doctor he took labs he called my at night triglcerides about 1200. He said get to the emergency rroom. While in Hospital they started givng me insulin. However they never said to change diet . I was about to leave hospital on my own. I said Let me cut out the fruit cup and High carb meals my blood sugar went down and I was released.

I'm curious. Your "triglycerides" were 1200 or your "blood sugar" was 1200. Reason I ask is that you mentioned the first but then said they treated you for the second. My experience has been that when they treat for high triglycerides, they put the patient on "pancreas rest", which means no food for days so that that pancreas can recover. Each time I was in the hospital with pancreatitis it was caused by too much fruit and pastries in combination for several days.

They did give me insulin, but said it was because I was already diabetic, and the second time I was already on insulin.

Sooooo, how are you doing? Any reoccurances?

 

[bbbass]

It has been known over a decade

Most of my reading was 20yrs ago when I was first diagnosed. Same with most of the info coming (that came early on) from docs. And as I mentioned, there is a lot of misinfo out there so a lot of what I have read in the meantime is just opinion, speculation, and poor analysis of data from various incomplete studies. I don't trust most of the info on YouTube and none coming from the diet/health industrial complex.

This guy has a lot of good info:






So yes, it is "relatively" new info depending on your viewpoint. Us older phucks have a diff time perspective.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I'm curious. Your "triglycerides" were 1200 or your "blood sugar" was 1200.

Wondered this myself.

 

[bbbass]

Wondered this myself.

Yep, blood sugar over 1200 is way beyond "serious emergency". People often die when their blood sugar goes over 800, and anything over 400 is considered to be life threatening in some. I can attest that it surely causes damage at that level.

Initially, I noticed I was peeing and drinking a lot of water... as in every 15 minutes. It was weird, I wasn't that much overweight, but my biz involved driving over 300 miles daily, so I was sedentary, my diet went to crap, overeating carbs, and not getting the proper kind of exercise. My vision changed... doc told me it was water content in my eyes. When I finally got myself to the doc, blood sugar was 500. At first, I managed with diet and exercise, then oral medicine, but right away they said I would eventually be on insulin, as most type ii patients arrive there at some point.