Ukraine invasion
- Thread starter ATN2
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners in Texas
Member Benefits:
Fewer Ads! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
- Status
Missing Forrest for the trees.
I heard a comment on a news program today (Well, Phil DiFranco, if you consider him a news service.) that Maxim guns are in use, apparently in surprising numbers, in the conflict.
Not like we use any old B52 bombers or anything.We all knew it was going to happen...
While Ukraine (thanks to the west) is adding capability, the rashishts are scrounging ancient equipment.
For anyone who doesn't understand, tanks and aircraft especially are a lot like race cars is the sense that a 1950s race car may be cool and fast, but compared to a modern one it ain't sh!t and this isn't a field where second place gets to compete the next week... modern: armor, sensors, countermeasures, comms gear, crew comforts or survivability... Yes, an ancient tank vs infantry equipped only with small arms is still formidable (but defea, but these are much more defeatable than what was being used.
Desperate Putin, 70, brings tanks as old as he is out of retirement
A video showing long obsolete Soviet-era T-54B and T-55A tanks on a train carried across Russia, presumably destined for the frontlines of the war, has emerged today.www.dailymail.co.uk
Надіслано з дому вашої мами за допомогою Tapatalk
General Zod
TGT Addict
B-52s are a bit of an exception that proves the rule - they've tried to replace them three times now. And the current B-52s in the fleet were built in the '70s.
cycleguy2300
TGT Addict
True, but the closest thing to a peer-peer engagement for them was Vietnam, which is a solid 55 years ago now...
The russians are using tu95's for air launching stuff, but no gravity bombing that I know of from such equipment.
Надіслано з дому вашої мами за допомогою Tapatalk
cycleguy2300
TGT Addict
Mark Felton has some YouTube videos of old weapons seen in use in the war...
Надіслано з дому вашої мами за допомогою Tapatalk
General Zod
TGT Addict
All of the Air Force's A-10s were all built in the early 70s, too. F-15's were first flown in 1975, but the current airframes were built in the early to mid 80s.
That's vastly different from giving a tank regiment Korean War vintage equipment. It's not as if the 3rd Armored is tooling around in M48 Pattons...or as if they'd stand a chance of surviving in combat if they were.
As one young USAF Officer/Pilot told me: They are the original airframes; but every part has been changed, so none are actually from the 1950’s.
General Zod
TGT Addict
The B-52H models the Air Force currently flies were built in the 60s and early 70s from the ground up - not recycled older airframes (as those were still in service at the time). The fleet has been gradually reduced based on age, so the current aircraft in service are all the "newer" airframes that rolled off the Boeing assembly line in the 70s - and have been constantly upgraded and modified since.
Currently there is a program in place to start giving them new Rolls Royce F130 engines to replace the 1960s era TF33 turbofans. They'll be quieter, cleaner-burning, and more fuel efficient while producing more thrust.
As it is, with the current avionics and computer systems in the cockpit, a modern B-52 is a very different beast from the B-52A models the Air Force brought into the inventory in 1952. While a BUFF pilot from the 50s would likely recognize the flight controls and throttles, that would be about all that was familiar. Almost all of the dials and gauges he would be familiar with have been replaced with multifunction displays.
Compare the way it looked then:
To the way it looks now:
This is vastly different from dragging a bunch of 70 year old tanks out of storage, getting them running again, and sending them off to combat where they'll face tanks designed within the past 30 years.
People are missing the point.
The "special ooeration" justified with Hitler like creativity and fantasy that was a Stalin wannabes first step in the glorious rise of the new soviet union was supposed to take a few weeks at most. Russia is now one step above throwing rocks at the Ukrainians. They are groveling to Iran and selling their soul to China for ammunition to continue this a year after it was supposed to be over.
They are waging a ww2 like war of attrition in bakhmut, a strategic nothing city, and their success is that its slightly better than a draw. They continue there cause it's really their only recent endeavor where they are slightly ahead. Add to that the manpower for that success it reportedly about varnish as the Wagner groups prison recruits contracts are up and they are forbidden to refill their ranks that way again.
Now they are digging deep into the bone yards to pull tanks out that are from the 50s after using the news stuff from more recent history already. The UK is providing depleted uranium rounds with the tanks they gave the Ukrainians. Older tanks stand no chance at all.
Yes we know putin still has some level of modern equipment he keeps in the west to deal with his delusional fears of a nato attack. Still the days of the vast soviet army and hoards of tanks and bombers are gone and he's degrading the country's military capability to a joke. The old Russian saying of quantity has a quality all its own is reality no more.
The man is insane and not well.
Can Russia still take Ukraine? I mean they have the Cannon fodder if they forced their people to do it but do they have the ability to arm them? There will be no massing of equipment and columns of troops to launch new attacks cause the Ukrainian have the intell and capabilities to easily destroy such formations more so now than last spring.
I think this ends when putin is removed from power. That or he does something so unhinged that other countries actually commit troops or air power to stop him. He has the will to try and outlast the Ukrainian people but not the means. Not with the help they are getting.
One can only hope putin takes a gainer off his balcony sooner rather than later. Watch the footage of his meeting wit XI. He's looks sick at times and....well watch the body language.
The "special ooeration" justified with Hitler like creativity and fantasy that was a Stalin wannabes first step in the glorious rise of the new soviet union was supposed to take a few weeks at most. Russia is now one step above throwing rocks at the Ukrainians. They are groveling to Iran and selling their soul to China for ammunition to continue this a year after it was supposed to be over.
They are waging a ww2 like war of attrition in bakhmut, a strategic nothing city, and their success is that its slightly better than a draw. They continue there cause it's really their only recent endeavor where they are slightly ahead. Add to that the manpower for that success it reportedly about varnish as the Wagner groups prison recruits contracts are up and they are forbidden to refill their ranks that way again.
Now they are digging deep into the bone yards to pull tanks out that are from the 50s after using the news stuff from more recent history already. The UK is providing depleted uranium rounds with the tanks they gave the Ukrainians. Older tanks stand no chance at all.
Yes we know putin still has some level of modern equipment he keeps in the west to deal with his delusional fears of a nato attack. Still the days of the vast soviet army and hoards of tanks and bombers are gone and he's degrading the country's military capability to a joke. The old Russian saying of quantity has a quality all its own is reality no more.
The man is insane and not well.
Can Russia still take Ukraine? I mean they have the Cannon fodder if they forced their people to do it but do they have the ability to arm them? There will be no massing of equipment and columns of troops to launch new attacks cause the Ukrainian have the intell and capabilities to easily destroy such formations more so now than last spring.
I think this ends when putin is removed from power. That or he does something so unhinged that other countries actually commit troops or air power to stop him. He has the will to try and outlast the Ukrainian people but not the means. Not with the help they are getting.
One can only hope putin takes a gainer off his balcony sooner rather than later. Watch the footage of his meeting wit XI. He's looks sick at times and....well watch the body language.
Reminds me of the first time I flew an actual GPS-moving map instrument approach, after decades of “steam gauge” navigation. I was like “Wow, this is cartoon grade simple!”
But, I recall Colonel Allen West telling me, in private, that after a few years of Obama, only some 40% of our front-line military aircraft were then currently “airworthy”.
But, I recall Colonel Allen West telling me, in private, that after a few years of Obama, only some 40% of our front-line military aircraft were then currently “airworthy”.
seeker_two
My posts don't count....
You know Moonpie....that's good enough.
- Status
