In this law, penal code 30.06, the word "notice" is defined as oral or written communication. Oral communication is not defined, so if someone with apparent authority to act for the owner, or the owner, tells you you cannot carry, then you commit an offense if you then enter or if you fail to leave if you are already there.
I got to witness this first hand today at, of all places, a gun range!?!?! Doh. My Glock 19 printed at the range(since I was carrying OWB under a shirt and jacket- which I normally do when at a gun range) this morning. Totally my bad and not a typical situation for me, just being a little more relaxed than usual given I was at a gun range. Was asked to step inside the office. Asked if I was LEO. I responded, no. Asked if I had a CHL. Told, them of course- every one should have one, why? They ask me "why are you carrying a concealed firearm?" I responded, "did I miss a 30.06 sign or something?" To which he tells me to step outside to the parking lot. I walk out and he points to a sign that says "ALL GUNS MUST BE UNLOADED AND UNCASED BEFORE ENTERING RANGE" or something to that effect by the front door. I asked him, are you telling me you don't support my 2nd Amendment and state law right to carry a concealed handgun into a business with no 30.06 sign?" Their response "our lawyer says we don't need a 30.06 sign and that this sign is plenty. You are lucky we aren't kicking you out since you came with a large group of people. But if you're gonna shoot here, you won't do it with a concealed handgun". Since I was with a large group of my co-workers (one of whom has a membership with this range), I decided not to make a huge stand other than to tell them I don't typically patronize businesses who are anti-2nd amendment. I also reminded him that I was aware of at least 4 deaths that happened at gun ranges last year that were not accidents, and one of them was much more of badass and capable of defending themselves than me. Perhaps you heard of Chris Kyle? They were relatively polite about the situation, albeit very backwards thinking. I felt safe enough given that I was with trusted friends that I knew were CC'ing. It definitely put a damper on the day and I just slowly, without making a huge scene, just started packing my gear back to the truck.
For those of you interested... Texas City Municipal Gun Range does not support the 2nd amendment, state law, or your right to concealed carry. Completely bizarre coming from a gun range, but I suppose they don't give a shit since they are a municipal range. If I hadn't paid for several folks to shoot and been with a large group, I fully take them at their word that they would have kicked me out. I won't derail this thread with everything else that happened, that will probably be another thread soon. I want to make sure to get the word out on these guys.
Any time I see a anti-gun sign, I do not enter the business. I take myself and money else were to shop.
Any time I see a anti-gun sign, I do not enter the business. I take myself and money else were to shop.
1. ANY verbal notice. Have you received verbal notice?
I was specifically told that the TEXAS 30.06 sign and the TABC 51% signs are the only enforceable signs used in Texas. I have shopped in stores carrying my EDC that have had the SIMPLE NO GUNS ALLOWED. I recently went to an Asian mall that had the sign on the door that said NO GUNS- NO POP POP. What the heck does that mean anyway. Inside the store i went had the basic no unlicensed carry signage. The CHL class I took was very specific about what no gun signs you can and can't ignore. View attachment 25859 View attachment 25860 View attachment 25861
Sounds more like al trug a few miles up the road.I got to witness this first hand today at, of all places, a gun range!?!?! Doh. My Glock 19 printed at the range(since I was carrying OWB under a shirt and jacket- which I normally do when at a gun range) this morning. Totally my bad and not a typical situation for me, just being a little more relaxed than usual given I was at a gun range. Was asked to step inside the office. Asked if I was LEO. I responded, no. Asked if I had a CHL. Told, them of course- every one should have one, why? They ask me "why are you carrying a concealed firearm?" I responded, "did I miss a 30.06 sign or something?" To which he tells me to step outside to the parking lot. I walk out and he points to a sign that says "ALL GUNS MUST BE UNLOADED AND UNCASED BEFORE ENTERING RANGE" or something to that effect by the front door. I asked him, are you telling me you don't support my 2nd Amendment and state law right to carry a concealed handgun into a business with no 30.06 sign?" Their response "our lawyer says we don't need a 30.06 sign and that this sign is plenty. You are lucky we aren't kicking you out since you came with a large group of people. But if you're gonna shoot here, you won't do it with a concealed handgun". Since I was with a large group of my co-workers (one of whom has a membership with this range), I decided not to make a huge stand other than to tell them I don't typically patronize businesses who are anti-2nd amendment. I also reminded him that I was aware of at least 4 deaths that happened at gun ranges last year that were not accidents, and one of them was much more of badass and capable of defending themselves than me. Perhaps you heard of Chris Kyle? They were relatively polite about the situation, albeit very backwards thinking. I felt safe enough given that I was with trusted friends that I knew were CC'ing. It definitely put a damper on the day and I just slowly, without making a huge scene, just started packing my gear back to the truck.
For those of you interested... Texas City Municipal Gun Range does not support the 2nd amendment, state law, or your right to concealed carry. Completely bizarre coming from a gun range, but I suppose they don't give a shit since they are a municipal range. If I hadn't paid for several folks to shoot and been with a large group, I fully take them at their word that they would have kicked me out. I won't derail this thread with everything else that happened, that will probably be another thread soon. I want to make sure to get the word out on these guys.
The middle one doesn't comply either. White on clear is not contrasting.
Sounds more like al trug a few miles up the road.
Texas city gun range is owned by the city. They can't give notice, written or oral.
Sounds more like al trug a few miles up the road.
Texas city gun range is owned by the city. They can't give notice, written or oral.
Who says? The law says contrasting, not opposite. Could you see it? If so, I'd say it is contrasting.The middle one doesn't comply either. White on clear is not contrasting.
I got to witness this first hand today at, of all places, a gun range!?!?! Doh. My Glock 19 printed at the range(since I was carrying OWB under a shirt and jacket- which I normally do when at a gun range) this morning. Totally my bad and not a typical situation for me, just being a little more relaxed than usual given I was at a gun range. Was asked to step inside the office. Asked if I was LEO. I responded, no. Asked if I had a CHL. Told, them of course- every one should have one, why? They ask me "why are you carrying a concealed firearm?" I responded, "did I miss a 30.06 sign or something?" To which he tells me to step outside to the parking lot. I walk out and he points to a sign that says "ALL GUNS MUST BE UNLOADED AND UNCASED BEFORE ENTERING RANGE" or something to that effect by the front door. I asked him, are you telling me you don't support my 2nd Amendment and state law right to carry a concealed handgun into a business with no 30.06 sign?" Their response "our lawyer says we don't need a 30.06 sign and that this sign is plenty. You are lucky we aren't kicking you out since you came with a large group of people. But if you're gonna shoot here, you won't do it with a concealed handgun". Since I was with a large group of my co-workers (one of whom has a membership with this range), I decided not to make a huge stand other than to tell them I don't typically patronize businesses who are anti-2nd amendment. I also reminded him that I was aware of at least 4 deaths that happened at gun ranges last year that were not accidents, and one of them was much more of badass and capable of defending themselves than me. Perhaps you heard of Chris Kyle? They were relatively polite about the situation, albeit very backwards thinking. I felt safe enough given that I was with trusted friends that I knew were CC'ing. It definitely put a damper on the day and I just slowly, without making a huge scene, just started packing my gear back to the truck.
For those of you interested... Texas City Municipal Gun Range does not support the 2nd amendment, state law, or your right to concealed carry. Completely bizarre coming from a gun range, but I suppose they don't give a shit since they are a municipal range. If I hadn't paid for several folks to shoot and been with a large group, I fully take them at their word that they would have kicked me out. I won't derail this thread with everything else that happened, that will probably be another thread soon. I want to make sure to get the word out on these guys.
Not that I'm aware of, but "clear" doesn't contrast with anything. It's pretty easy to trot out documentation of that.Not being argumentative - is there case law on this?
I say. Actually I usually find it pretty hard to read white-on-clear or frosted-on-clear lettering from more than a couple of feet away. Businesses normally use that scheme specifically to keep things from being conspicuous.Who says? The law says contrasting, not opposite. Could you see it? If so, I'd say it is contrasting.