Where does Putin stop.

[shortround]

First and foremost, Putin detests the West for its degenerative ways. He views "classic" conservatism as a means to move forward and to block a slide backwards into debauchery. (My kind of guy).

That is why he is sticking his middle finger at us: The west embraces "progressive" causes, while the Russian Orthodox Church urges obedience to traditional customs proven true over millennia.

Finally, the Russian people want a strongman, it is in their blood.

Obama is no Putin.

Putin believes in all or nothing. He will nuke anyone who tries to thwart his ambitions.

That in essence, is why NATO & the European Union are to afraid to act.

 

[Iamntxhunter]

First and foremost, Putin detests the West for its degenerative ways. He views "classic" conservatism as a means to move forward and to block a slide backwards into debauchery. (My kind of guy).

That is why he is sticking his middle finger at us: The west embraces "progressive" causes, while the Russian Orthodox Church urges obedience to traditional customs proven true over millennia.

Finally, the Russian people want a strongman, it is in their blood.

Obama is no Putin.

Putin believes in all or nothing. He will nuke anyone who tries to thwart his ambitions.

That in essence, is why NATO & the European Union are to afraid to act.

I disagree with that assesment. Putin loved the Soviet Union and longs for the day for Russia to rise up and re-establish itself.

He despises America because we directly brought on the down fall of the S.U. and broke them through proper strategy and strength because we had a strong leader in Reagan and had the fiscal ability to do it.

Putin is not a conervative he is a KGB guy that believes in absolute power through manipulative control and is a devout communist.

Lastly Putin isn't going to nuke anyone over a territorial land grab. For one he is not going to have to because no one is even standing in his way with any seriousness and for another he will get his ass nuked back severely if he does.

Slowly and methodicly he tested the water and when there was no real resistance he decided to make his move. Putin may have tried this with a Republican in office but he wouldn't have tried it with a strong conservative President that is a true leader.

This is what weak leadership will get you. The days of the Democrats showing any real deterent to foreign nations is long gone as they view America as the one Nation that has caused all of the tension in the world by corrupt foreign policy laid out by Republicans.

Believe it or not Russia is not that strong right now but they are spending a significant amount of their incone that comes from energy while we are cutting our military across the board in size and in dollars. Not only that we are blowing billions on such failed, propped up companies like Solyndra for political kickbacks that ultimately filed bankruptcy and went out of business while a select few walked away from that company as multi millionaires. Those that did walk away as MM had never invested one cent of their capital in the company. We blow our precious tax dollars on such wasteful things instead of being fiscally strong. A broke Nation that is in debt to other Nations is nothing but they're slave.

The reality is that this business model of picking winners and losers by Obama was reapeated over and over with many other alternative renewable energy companies.

The Russian people are of a generational communist mindset that are dependant on the gov't with very few being free thinkers and are fed political propaganda and all to willing to buy it hook, line and sinker.

The days of people really following the news and getting the truth is over for the most part as now it is all a ratings war here in the US and in many cases it is very close to state controlled media. Unfortunately these days you have to dig to get the truth because most reporters don't do their job. Most people don't have the time or inclination to put forth the required effort and they know it. We are a 30 second sound bite know the whole story sheeple.

 

[breakingcontact]

That is not as cut and dry as some may wish to make it. If simple minded people believe that without peeling back the layers and looking at the reality of the circumstances then they bought into the liberal media lies. It is easy to second guess decisions after the fact.

Afghanistan harbored the taliban which in turn supported Osama and Iraq chose to play a shell game of deception giving the appearance he had WMD which was done out of fear from Iran.

We didn't take any land and claim it as ours to where Putin is.

If any one believes there is a moral comparison please lay out your reasoning because I don't see it.

In regards to Crimea voting for a Russian take over. That was done once it was taken over and those that wanted to vote against were fearful of retaliation upon them and their famalies life. Putin is ruthless and has no promlem with murdering his political enemies.

This just in. I was just called simple minded or compared to or simple minded people. Good times.

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[breakingcontact]

Putin and the gas company oligarchs who run Russia are pushing for more control and rights in the arctic. Lots of money and power controlling resources.

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[Iamntxhunter]

This just in. I was just called simple minded or compared to or simple minded people. Good times.

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Didn't mean that personally to you or anyone else on here just in general, there is more to all of it than just a cover story repeated by the media. I apoligize to anyone that felt I intended that directly at them personally and or meant anything by it in a derogatory manner.

 

[breakingcontact]

Would have been better to say "simple view" than "simple minded" but I've been known to put my foot in my mouth too.

Im not a huge antiwar type but I dont think we had any business in Iraq and Afghanistan turned into a total mess from the beginning and then took on a life of its own. Have you read about the Battle for Tora Bora?

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[Iamntxhunter]

Would have been better to say "simple view" than "simple minded" but I've been known to put my foot in my mouth too.

Im not a huge antiwar type but I dont think we had any business in Iraq and Afghanistan turned into a total mess from the beginning and then took on a life of its own. Have you read about the Battle for Tora Bora?

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First off I made a genuine and sincere apology to you or anyone else that I may have insulted or offended.
Your responses seemed less than a gracefully acceptance of my apology.

Moving on I have and I am fully aware the Tora Bora debacle it wasn't done without errors and mistakes and some could make a case for willful incompetence.

The fact remains we are not like Russia and Russia is nothing like us.

I am not pro war but I am pro winning once we are in a war and we don't have the political will from our politicians anymore because imo the Democrats are to busy trying to undermine our resolve only to make political points. The Democrats voted for use of force but when the going got tough....well we all know the rest of the story.


United we stand and diveded we fall.

 

[Younggun]

Define "winning".


I am much more supportive of the afghan war. No more chance of a "win" but that was where the hit came from.

 

[breakingcontact]

I agree that we had some business in Afghanistan. But not "nation building".

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[JohnnyLoco]

That is not as cut and dry as some may wish to make it. If simple minded people believe that without peeling back the layers and looking at the reality of the circumstances then they bought into the liberal media lies. It is easy to second guess decisions after the fact.

Afghanistan harbored the taliban which in turn supported Osama and Iraq chose to play a shell game of deception giving the appearance he had WMD which was done out of fear from Iran.

We didn't take any land and claim it as ours to where Putin is.

If any one believes there is a moral comparison please lay out your reasoning because I don't see it.

In regards to Crimea voting for a Russian take over. That was done once it was taken over and those that wanted to vote against were fearful of retaliation upon them and their famalies life. Putin is ruthless and has no promlem with murdering his political enemies.

Okay, I'll say it. If you look at Iraq's present condition, I would say our involvement there was morally worse than Russia's involvement in Crimea. This goes for the first Gulf War as well. And Panama. The Bush's have a track record of overthrowing and wrecking countries, slaughtering thousands of women and children on our dime. Don't think this has happened in Crimea.

Afghanistan is another story, but Russia has been down that road too. And their dealings with terrorists threats in Chechnya.

 

[Iamntxhunter]

Define "winning".


I am much more supportive of the afghan war. No more chance of a "win" but that was where the hit came from.

Winning is breaking the will of your enemy to continue the fight. Japan would be an example.

 

[Iamntxhunter]

Okay, I'll say it. If you look at Iraq's present condition, I would say our involvement there was morally worse than Russia's involvement in Crimea. This goes for the first Gulf War as well. And Panama. The Bush's have a track record of overthrowing and wrecking countries, slaughtering thousands of women and children on our dime. Don't think this has happened in Crimea.

Afghanistan is another story, but Russia has been down that road too. And their dealings with terrorists threats in Chechnya.

Wow!

 

[Younggun]

Winning is breaking the will of your enemy to continue the fight. Japan would be an example.

Then your "stay till we win" strategy would mean a never ending occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Younggun]

Okay, I'll say it. If you look at Iraq's present condition, I would say our involvement there was morally worse than Russia's involvement in Crimea. This goes for the first Gulf War as well. And Panama. The Bush's have a track record of overthrowing and wrecking countries, slaughtering thousands of women and children on our dime. Don't think this has happened in Crimea.

Afghanistan is another story, but Russia has been down that road too. And their dealings with terrorists threats in Chechnya.

I'm gonna go with the bold section because it really stands out.

First, WTF are you talking about. The gulf war didn't have jack shit to do with liberating Iraq. It was about Iraqs invasion of Kuwait and jeopardizing oil resources.

We didn't overthrow anybody, we removed Iraq from the country it was attempting to invade and overthrow.
I would say Kuwait is better for not being part of Iraq, would you disagree?

Seriously, do you know anything about the things you argue about?

Putin is a sadistic bastard, I have absolutely no doubt about that.

 

[breakingcontact]

I don't think we had any business in Iraq in the 2000's.

We probably didn't back in 1993 either, but there was a clear mission, we went in heavy and with support from the neighbors and we didn't try to freaking "nation build".

None of this should be confused with disrespecting those who served over there. Whether the wars were right or not, it doesn't make your individual service anything less than the honorable sacrifice that it was.

 

[breakingcontact]

Russia to boost military presence in Arctic as Canada plots north pole claim | World news | The Guardian

Russia and Ukraine: Insatiable | The Economist

 

[JohnnyLoco]

I'm gonna go with the bold section because it really stands out.

First, WTF are you talking about. The gulf war didn't have jack shit to do with liberating Iraq. It was about Iraqs invasion of Kuwait and jeopardizing oil resources.

We didn't overthrow anybody, we removed Iraq from the country it was attempting to invade and overthrow.
I would say Kuwait is better for not being part of Iraq, would you disagree?

Seriously, do you know anything about the things you argue about?

Putin is a sadistic bastard, I have absolutely no doubt about that.

We had no business there. I'll leave it at that Mr. Post Commander.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

I'm gonna go with the bold section because it really stands out.

First, WTF are you talking about. The gulf war didn't have jack shit to do with liberating Iraq. It was about Iraqs invasion of Kuwait and jeopardizing oil resources.

We didn't overthrow anybody, we removed Iraq from the country it was attempting to invade and overthrow.
I would say Kuwait is better for not being part of Iraq, would you disagree?

Seriously, do you know anything about the things you argue about?

Putin is a sadistic bastard, I have absolutely no doubt about that.

No shit Sherlock.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

I'm gonna go with the bold section because it really stands out.

First, WTF are you talking about. The gulf war didn't have jack shit to do with liberating Iraq. It was about Iraqs invasion of Kuwait and jeopardizing oil resources.

We didn't overthrow anybody, we removed Iraq from the country it was attempting to invade and overthrow.
I would say Kuwait is better for not being part of Iraq, would you disagree?

Seriously, do you know anything about the things you argue about?

Putin is a sadistic bastard, I have absolutely no doubt about that.

Yes.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

I'm gonna go with the bold section because it really stands out.

First, WTF are you talking about. The gulf war didn't have jack shit to do with liberating Iraq. It was about Iraqs invasion of Kuwait and jeopardizing oil resources.

We didn't overthrow anybody, we removed Iraq from the country it was attempting to invade and overthrow.
I would say Kuwait is better for not being part of Iraq, would you disagree?

Seriously, do you know anything about the things you argue about?

Putin is a sadistic bastard, I have absolutely no doubt about that.

Yes. Doesn't sound like you do asshole.