Pot Use Disqualifies You as a Gun owner/Purchaser!

[Sapper740]

Further to my last post, here's a question to those of you who profess to be Libertarian: What's your position on Abortion? (yes, I'm already checking in to Thread-Jackers Anonymous)

 

[breakingcontact]

Holy cow. I go to a meeting for an hour and look what you guys do!

 

[breakingcontact]

Further to my last post, here's a question to those of you who profess to be Libertarian: What's your position on Abortion? (yes, I'm already checking in to Thread-Jackers Anonymous)

Ive been pleasantly surprised that many support the prolife stance because to a libertarian my rights end where yours begin right? An unborn baby has a right to life that morally cannot be taken away.

 

[Sapper740]

That's twisting the top on a big can of worms that goes far beyond checking yes or no on a form. It gets in to a whole new way of running our nation and returning to high levels of personal responsibility and accountability.


I will say this, being "proactive" can be used as an excuse to institute all sorts of rights violations.


BC, start a new thread on that.

So, there's a "Right" to smoke pot? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here but it seems there are contradicting points of view and not just on this thread of when a governing body's "pro-activeness" is a good thing or a bad thing.

 

[Younggun]

Further to my last post, here's a question to those of you who profess to be Libertarian: What's your position on Abortion? (yes, I'm already checking in to Thread-Jackers Anonymous)

Abortion violates the right to life. Not OK.

It can get more complicated if the mothers life is at serious risk due to complications (stretch marks and having to stop partying do not constitute "serious risk")

 

[Younggun]

So, there's a "Right" to smoke pot? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here but it seems there are contradicting points of view and not just on this thread of when a governing body's "pro-activeness" is a good thing or a bad thing.

There is a right to do what one wants with ones own body, so long as you are not violating the rights of others.

 

[Saltyag2010]

It's also technically Christian. Social Conservatives are taught to care about our fellow man, that's why we're anti-abortion which is hardly Liberal. Let's not get this thread off-track by trying to label people. Even the most die hard Libertarian understands the need for SOME level of governance, as do social Conservatives, Conservatives, RINOs, Democrats, Blue Dog Democrats, Moderates, Statists, Constitutionalists, and all the rest so let's not get bound up in labels. I'm sure Libertarians will be as angry as any Liberal when some stoned teen blows a stop sign and kills their family. The only difference between you and I is do you want to be pro-active or reactive to social issues. I prefer to be pro-active on some issues, but that hardly makes me a Liberal.

The impaired driving is another grab at emotions. Impaired driving is against the law regardless of substance.
I think you're trying to tie libertarian to anarchist. Libertarian is bare bones government. Anarchists don't believe in government and want marshal law.
As far as abortion- I think it's morally wrong and I'm Christian so I'm against it. But as a Christian I can't judge others and I understand I shouldn't push my beliefs onto others and reign in the freedoms of others. So as far as the government goes they shouldn't tell people what to do as long as it doesn't hurt others. Is a fetus a person? Idk but when does taking away freedoms go too far? Could birth control pills be stopping life?
Freedom
Freedom
freedom. Social conservatives and liberals just disagree what freedoms to take.

 

[Sapper740]

I have some Libertarian leanings but I can see that a purely Libertarian society could be a living Hell, especially if one neighbor decides to compost pig manure and the other decides to raise Peacocks. (Ever heard a Peacock squawk?) So if I form an HOA to create some reasonable rules for my neighborhood can I be accused of "Rights Violations" jes askin'.

 

[breakingcontact]

Hmmmm how to tie the last few comments in with the OP for the sake of harmony?

Drugs are bad. Mkay. Bad behaviors should be discouraged. Good behaviors should be encouraged. Having 5 baby mommas is a bad behavior and should be discouraged. Staying married your whole life is a good behavior and should be encouraged. Good behaviors are less of a drag on the government and require less government than bad behaviors.

Here's the difference between libertarians and conservatives.

To quote Kanye West (1 baby momma who he plans to marry): "I call it good, 'cause it's good".

Us conservatives arent afraid of calling some things good productive and right and others bad, destructive and wrong.

Libertarian friends flame on. Ill keep a spot for you in my theocracy.

 

[Saltyag2010]

So, there's a "Right" to smoke pot? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here but it seems there are contradicting points of view and not just on this thread of when a governing body's "pro-activeness" is a good thing or a bad thing.

Americans have currently or should have the right to do whatever they want privately. Some things are bad for you- cigars, cigarettes, snuff, beer, liquor, not working out, junk food, artificial sweeteners, sodas, not wearing sun screen. Do we need laws on all of it?

 

[Sapper740]

The impaired driving is another grab at emotions. Impaired driving is against the law regardless of substance.
I think you're trying to tie libertarian to anarchist. Libertarian is bare bones government. Anarchists don't believe in government and want marshal law.
As far as abortion- I think it's morally wrong and I'm Christian so I'm against it. But as a Christian I can't judge others and I understand I shouldn't push my beliefs onto others and reign in the freedoms of others. So as far as the government goes they shouldn't tell people what to do as long as it doesn't hurt others. Is a fetus a person? Idk but when does taking away freedoms go too far? Could birth control pills be stopping life?
Freedom
Freedom
freedom. Social conservatives and liberals just disagree what freedoms to take.

Thanks for your response Salty and I'd like to ask you and other Libertarian-ish people are there any drugs that you would leave illegal? Meth, Smack, LSD, Psylicibin? Any? If so, why and wouldn't that be "taking away freedoms"? Again, jes askin'.

 

[Saltyag2010]

I have some Libertarian leanings but I can see that a purely Libertarian society could be a living Hell, especially if one neighbor decides to compost pig manure and the other decides to raise Peacocks. (Ever heard a Peacock squawk?) So if I form an HOA to create some reasonable rules for my neighborhood can I be accused of "Rights Violations" jes askin'.

You have the right to choose where you live. If someone doesn't agree with their HOA and moved into it they're idiots. It's our right to create an HOA it's zoning but private.

 

[breakingcontact]

Americans have currently or should have the right to do whatever they want privately. Some things are bad for you- cigars, cigarettes, snuff, beer, liquor, not working out, junk food, artificial sweeteners, sodas, not wearing sun screen. Do we need laws on all of it?

Start a new thread yo. Sapped and I will zapped you!

 

[breakingcontact]

SMH at libertarians daily.

 

[Younggun]

Hmmmm how to tie the last few comments in with the OP for the sake of harmony?

Drugs are bad. Mkay. Bad behaviors should be discouraged. Good behaviors should be encouraged. Having 5 baby mommas is a bad behavior and should be discouraged. Staying married your whole life is a good behavior and should be encouraged. Good behaviors are less of a drag on the government and require less government than bad behaviors.

Here's the difference between libertarians and conservatives.

To quote Kanye West (1 baby momma who he plans to marry): "I call it good, 'cause it's good".

Us conservatives arent afraid of calling some things good productive and right and others bad, destructive and wrong.

Libertarian friends flame on. Ill keep a spot for you in my theocracy.

Nothing wrong with calling bad behaviors bad, or unhealthy, or wrong. That's your opinion, and in some cases it's fact.

But should the government have the authority to tell a person they can't do something because it's unhealthy?


Libertarians (real ones) just separate what they believe is right/wrong from what should be legal/illegal. I may not like it, but it doesn't hurt me so I go my own way. They don't like my guns, but it I'm not hurting anyone with them, so they can piss off.

Hope that clears things up a little.

 

[Saltyag2010]

Thanks for your response Salty and I'd like to ask you and other Libertarian-ish people are there any drugs that you would leave illegal? Meth, Smack, LSD, Psylicibin? Any? If so, why and wouldn't that be "taking away freedoms"? Again, jes askin'.

Legalize them all. Have the government even sell them or give them away as long as the gov makes a profit. Idk personally but having private or public sector involved instead of the black market making decisions is better for the whole.

 

[breakingcontact]

Nothing wrong with calling bad behaviors bad, or unhealthy, or wrong. That's your opinion, and in some cases it's fact.

But should the government have the authority to tell a person they can't do something because it's unhealthy?


Libertarians (real ones) just separate what they believe is right/wrong from what should be legal/illegal. I may not like it, but it doesn't hurt me so I go my own way. They don't like my guns, but it I'm not hurting anyone with them, so they can piss off.

Hope that clears things up a little.

Well I talked about encouraging and discouraging. Right now we have a government hostile to good things (like life, marriage, family, work, economic activity and on and on) and promoting bad things (drugs, ethanol, interventionist wars, deficit spending, dead beat dads, people who choose not to work).

 

[breakingcontact]

Legalize them all. Have the government even sell them or give them away as long as the gov makes a profit. Idk personally but having private or public sector involved instead of the black market making decisions is better for the whole.

Please start a thread so I can end your argument.

 

[Younggun]

Thanks for your response Salty and I'd like to ask you and other Libertarian-ish people are there any drugs that you would leave illegal? Meth, Smack, LSD, Psylicibin? Any? If so, why and wouldn't that be "taking away freedoms"? Again, jes askin'.

It should only be illegal to violate another persons rights.

If someone smokes their crack without violating anyone else's rights then let'em go.

Also, remove the safety net. When they trash their life and have nothing they can make the choice to stop smoking crack or die in the gutter.

 

[Sapper740]

Great thread guys but I gotta di-di to work now. See ya all tomorrow.