A real knife attack is likely to look like this...

[SIG_Fiend]

I would much rather be in a gunfight than a knife fight. Look at video of stabbings from security cameras, shankings in prison, etc. Most people really have no idea the surprise, speed, and violence of action that the average, criminal using an edged weapon, will use on you. An edged weapon is probably one of the most serious threats a person could encounter. Say you get a few shots off. What if that wasn't quite enough? They may still have enough determination, blood pressure, and momentum to run into you, slash you fatally a few times, before you can fire another few rounds and put them down for good. Blades don't really malfunction and they don't run out of ammo.

 

[Byaah_19]

SO can I legally carry my USMC Kabar on my hip? Sorry to get off topic but just wondering.

 

[Robb in Austin]

Byaah,

As I understand the laws; on your own property yes. Off, no. Texas limits the blade length to 5.5". San Antonio is even shorter.

 

[scap99]

Never bring a knife to a gun fight, unless you plan on winning!

How do you think I got my 1-0 record?


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[scap99]

SO can I legally carry my USMC Kabar on my hip? Sorry to get off topic but just wondering.

Matefrio will chime in, but it looks like the law is worded in such a way that, yes you can IF you have a valid CHL and IF you are currently carrying said concealed handgun.


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[Mexican_Hippie]

It really shows the importance of separation. If you don't have distance, you need some object to create separation like a pole or your car.

A knife will be faster to deploy defensively up close, but still may not be fast enough if you've allowed a threat too little separation.

The lesson I take away is to be aware of your surroundings and don't assume anything about anyone. I get why some officers have their hand resting on their gun when they approach a situation.

 

[SWJewellTN]

How about Dan Inosanto, the master:

Yet he's using the ice pick grip. Hummm...

 

[AGreenSmudge]

Yet he's using the ice pick grip. Hummm...

I can be an effective grip, but you really need a good amount of training to make it work.

Most people who know nothing ight go for a similar grip, but have no idea how to really use it.

 

[poolingmyignorance]

As tacticool and prepared as many here like to think they are... a surprise attack would likely take most of us out. Like it or not. It's the best way to win a battle.

Tactically speaking there is NO DEFENSE for ANY sneak attack, other than not allow it to be a surprise. In which case it's no longer a "sneak" attack. No matter what kind of comando/navy seal/ sf you might be. Can't block/evade/avoid what you don't see coming. Period.
Somebody else said "BS Disarms" thats not entirely true..but self defense is VERY SITUATIONALLY SPECIFIC. I'm not going to try to explain how to disarm, but I did train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for about 8 years, it's not all ground and the knife defense work very well...if applied correctly and apporiately. But it is competely up to the practitioner to identify that threat immediately, and apply the technique with ferocity and an exceptional degree of skill. I definately agree with the common setitment "Knives are scary".

 

[M. Sage]

I called them BS because the people teaching them teach (IMO) way too much confidence in them. The person being disarmed freezes and doesn't resist the disarm, and they make it seem safe and clean.

It's neither. Like I said earlier, I took a knife from my ex when she was threatening to hurt herself with it. Disarm was by the book, she didn't have time to react, she didn't even fight back against what I did, not that she had any time to really put up a struggle. And yet, I've got a scar from that episode.

I will admit, it wasn't exactly a butter knife I was taking away from her. That Mora is so sharp that if you touch the edge, it's going to draw blood...

In other words, I think they're BS because it's supposed to be easy and safe. Hell no. You're going to get cut, and if you don't, it's dumb luck that either you managed to avoid the edge, or the edge wasn't a razor. I'll admit, I'd be way more comfortable trying a disarm on someone that's brandishing a Type 2 AK bayonet at me, because I know it's going to be duller than the guy waving it. Show me something that's actually sharp and I'm out.

 

[chris211]

Damn good thread! Made me think about something I don't normally worry about. I do keep an awareness about my surroundings, but the distance ...that has me rethinking my surrounding awareness and how much further out we need to be alert.

 

[BigBoss0311]

This is one of the videos I was always shown:

 

[matefrio]

This is the one that gets me. The first guy that gets his throat cut.

 

[M. Sage]

This is one of the videos I was always shown:

Yep, look at 'em all run.

The main reason that bayonets still exist isn't because it's a very effective weapon. It's because it's fucking scary having that blade coming at you.

People aren't always scared of getting shot. I think it's because they don't know what it feels like (thankfully, I don't either). Some of it might be that they assume you get shot, you die, not much pain. Everybody knows what getting cut feels like.

 

[Bithabus]

Yep, look at 'em all run.

The main reason that bayonets still exist isn't because it's a very effective weapon. It's because it's fucking scary having that blade coming at you.

People aren't always scared of getting shot. I think it's because they don't know what it feels like (thankfully, I don't either). Some of it might be that they assume you get shot, you die, not much pain. Everybody knows what getting cut feels like.

I think most people also fear the extreme blood loss, and having body parts cut off. A person can cut an arm off in one strike with an 8 inch knife.

 

[M. Sage]

I think most people also fear the extreme blood loss, and having body parts cut off. A person can cut an arm off in one strike with an 8 inch knife.

I don't think that's part of the visceral reaction that a knife gets, though. People aren't scared on entirely an intellectual level, it's almost instinct deep. There's intellectual reasons to be scared, that's for sure. But when things happen fast, like those cops being chased around in that video, you don't have time to think "man, he could take my arm off with that knife." All you have is "oh shit oh shit knife oh shit oh shit".

 

[Bithabus]

I don't think that's part of the visceral reaction that a knife gets, though. People aren't scared on entirely an intellectual level, it's almost instinct deep. There's intellectual reasons to be scared, that's for sure. But when things happen fast, like those cops being chased around in that video, you don't have time to think "man, he could take my arm off with that knife." All you have is "oh shit oh shit knife oh shit oh shit".

I can believe that. Grossman talks about the sexual penetrative aspects of knife violence. Very monkey brain stuff.

 

[M. Sage]

I can believe that. Grossman talks about the sexual penetrative aspects of knife violence. Very monkey brain stuff.

One of the most intimidating weapons I've ever seen is the M12 trench gun with that big ol' sword bayonet on the end of it. Second place probably goes to a Garand with the old-style sword bayonet. Hell with going against that setup... that's a huge piece of sharpened spring steel (either one!).

 

[scap99]

Cuts and bleeding have been with humans much longer than guns.

It seems that knives and the fear of getting sliced are an evolutionary response to wild things with sharp teeth and claws. Totally primal and something we just instinctively fear.


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[AngeliaH]

Guy came after me with a box cutter once. Nothing compared to a 10 inch blade but he left a nasty scar on my arm when I put it up to block my face. Makes you a little more aware of what people around you have in their hands.