Active shooter at Baptist Church

[SQLGeek]

He listed an address in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he bought the rifle, the official said."

What in the world? I don't want to speculate but if that's true it makes me wonder how this sale went through?

 

[Dirt n Dust]

Dirt n Dust,

It's a POOR & way too expensive system. = IMO, we would do well to abolish ALL federal gun laws & the BATFE & let the 50 state police agencies handle such criminals.
(Fwiw, I was once a SA/SAA with one of the military investigating agencies & the FBI/BATFE/DEA tried to NOT help us, when we requested assistance . Otoh, the USPS Special Agents & the USMS were VERY HELPFUL.)

Btw, we have 80+ federal LE agencies which each have their own "empire" to protect & we would be 100% better off with ABOLISHING all but ONE or TWO such agencies & turning as much of LE case-load back to the 50 States as is possible. =====> It makes NO difference which badge/credential that a LEO carries.
(We need >80 federal police agencies like we all need an aggressive cancer.)

yours, satx

I agree with your assessment completely. This case seemingly (based on current info) demonstrates that it is a broken system. Two many agencies with overlapping responsibilities. Government efficiency right?

 

[MuscleCarMan]

If the church members would have been allowed to carry, they could have defended themselves...

 

[MuscleCarMan]

yet another horrible tragedy that proves the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. #BanGunControl

 

[satx78247]

I agree with your assessment completely. This case seemingly (based on current info) demonstrates that it is a broken system. Two many agencies with overlapping responsibilities. Government efficiency right?

Dirt n Dust,

"Government efficiency" is yet another oxymoron like "fast food", "jumbo shrimp", "friendly fire" & "cold fire".

yours, satx

 

[MuscleCarMan]

Just think, what if 5 people in there where ccw holders, And they weren't allowed to protect themselves. The crooks are more likely to target places where there's a sign saying: no one in here has guns! It's an easy target!. Stupid people...

 

[MuscleCarMan]

I like being able to talk to gun people :-)

 

[Kar98]

Just think, what if 5 people in there where ccw holders, And they weren't allowed to protect themselves. The crooks are more likely to target places where there's a sign saying: no one in here has guns! It's an easy target!. Stupid people...

You may be not aware of this, but churches and such are not off limits for LTC holders anymore.

 

[satx78247]

You may be not aware of this, but churches and such are not off limits for LTC holders anymore.

Kar98,

SOME churches have voted to be "gun free zones" & that choice too (though extremely FOOLISH, imo) is lawful in TX.

yours, satx

 

[easy rider]

You may be not aware of this, but churches and such are not off limits for LTC holders anymore.

Unfortunately most places can be off limits with the appropriate signage. I don't have the slightest idea about that church or what it's view on carrying are.

 

[Polarbear6]

Just think, what if 5 people in there where ccw holders, And they weren't allowed to protect themselves. The crooks are more likely to target places where there's a sign saying: no one in here has guns! It's an easy target!. Stupid people...

How do you know there weren't? Perhaps someone was carrying inside the church, attempted to engage the shooter and was just unsuccessful. Handgun against AR 15, the odds are not good. Esp. when the AR15 shooter has surprise on his side.

 

[Dirt n Dust]

Kar98,

SOME churches have voted to be "gun free zones" & that choice too (though extremely FOOLISH, imo) is lawful in TX.

yours, satx

Exactly. It depends on the church. I had a pastor in Odessa who encouraged us to attend armed while some churches in Central Texas have 30.06 and 30.07 signs posted everywhere. They have the option to prohibit carry just like a business.

 

[Dirt n Dust]

How do you know there weren't? Perhaps someone was carrying inside the church, attempted to engage the shooter and was just unsuccessful. Handgun against AR 15, the odds are not good.

I had the same thought. There may have been armed attendees but they probably didn't have time to react.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Yeah, but even so. What diagnosis? What is the prescribed treatment that would have been effective? What can we do to catch this?

People who don’t want treatment for a diagnosis they don’t want to get assessed or treated aren’t going to be identified and helped. So it will continue. Calling whatever this is “mental issues” isn’t gonna cut it at the end of the day. And having a social stigma on “mental issues” just means most of it goes underground and is buried anyways. Until it pops up and is off the chain.

I totally agree, I was just speaking in general...

 

[MuscleCarMan]

You may be not aware of this, but churches and such are not off limits for LTC holders anymore.

Kar98,

SOME churches have voted to be "gun free zones" & that choice too (though extremely FOOLISH, imo) is lawful in TX.

yours, satx

Unfortunately most places can be off limits with the appropriate signage. I don't have the slightest idea about that church or what it's view on carrying are.

Thank y'all for the info!

 

[AustinN4]

What in the world? I don't want to speculate but if that's true it makes me wonder how this sale went through?

That is a state requirement, no? If so, wouldn't it have been up to Academy to enforce it?

 

[MuscleCarMan]

How do you know there weren't? Perhaps someone was carrying inside the church, attempted to engage the shooter and was just unsuccessful. Handgun against AR 15, the odds are not good. Esp. when the AR15 shooter has surprise on his side.

It's possible

 

[MuscleCarMan]

Exactly. It depends on the church. I had a pastor in Odessa who encouraged us to attend armed while some churches in Central Texas have 30.06 and 30.07 signs posted everywhere. They have the option to prohibit carry just like a business.

Sounds like I need to check out that church!

 

[MuscleCarMan]

I had the same thought. There may have been armed attendees but they probably didn't have time to react.

true... But at least they would have a better chance of surviving, thats what I mean.

 

[easy rider]

That is a state requirement, no? If so, wouldn't it have been up to Academy to enforce it?

And here I thought it was a law, not a policy.