Active Shooter at Robb Elementary in Uvalde

[toddnjoyce]

@toddnjoyce

There was a 48 minute video that started at 1143, and the barrage of shooting was over when video started. There were 4-5 more shots about 25 min in, then nothing for 23 minutes or so. The they entered but that shooting was not on video.

Is the video public? The timelines don’t make sense across the board. There’s some minutes missing if the tally of 77 mins in the school is to be believed.

 

[Renegade]

Is the video public? The timelines don’t make sense across the board. There’s some minutes missing if the tally of 77 mins in the school is to be believed.

Video man lived across street. Heard barrage of shots. Started video at 1143. Battery died or memory full or whatever after 48 minutes

It is not public but I have copy can upload if you have place

 

[mongoose]

No doubt. Ever done that with rifle rounds coming at you through the door?

I assume you are asking if I’ve accomplished this feat with fear involved. I’m not Superman, so sure a great deal of fear would be involved. I have a leg up on most people as I have died before. I did not find death to be something I feared as everything went to black. I did regret not being able to say goodbye to my Wife and Mom. However, I don’t know how I would deal with the regret of not trying to reach 11 live children as they either bled out or were slaughtered. I’m not saying I’m the bravest man on the planet ,but my Dad did instill in me the responsibility to protect innocents.

 

[Havok1]

There’s about eleventy billion examples, The article
I linked above was a 5-hr standoff and no key was needed.

Care to provide a few?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

There's also the fact that a drop ceiling tends to have walls that end 2-3 feet above the ceiling tiles, with nothing but empty space between them and the roof. And I've never been in a modern school that didn't have acoustic tile drop ceilings. A ladder or even a couple of guys giving a buddy a boost would have given them an avenue of attack.

Yep, or all of the outside windows.

 

[paknheat]

A lot of Nazi War criminals were given a pass so our government could use them

Japanese war criminals were given a pass too. People seem to forget about them. I think it’s because the media types keep “ The Nazis “ in the forefront.


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[oldag]

Yep, or all of the outside windows.

I have not seen a good picture of the outside (or inside) of the classroom. Were the windows across the full width of the classroom (e.g., could an outsider see the entire interior)?

 

[mongoose]

Yep, or all of the outside windows.

That wall was probably a fire wall. The wall would have extended to the roof decking. While certainly breachable. it would have been a slow and noisy process.

 

[oldag]

Houston Chronicle reporting that a number of DPS troopers were also in the hall waiting.

 

[kbaxter60]

Once a threat is barricaded, your average cop is in a tactical stalemate or defeated. How hard is that to accept?

Pretty hard. Is it too much to expect above average when it's our children in the hands of .gov stewards?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

That wall was probably a fire wall. The wall would have extended to the roof decking. While certainly breachable. it would have been a slow and noisy process.

Or ALL of the outside windows, LOL.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Pretty hard. Is it too much to expect above average when it's our children in the hands of .gov stewards?

Then you need to prevent the threat from gaining access to the building to begin with, because they’re ain’t enough skilled people to put a breaching team in every school.

 

[outdare]

Then you need to prevent the threat from gaining access to the building to begin with, because they’re ain’t enough skilled people to put a breaching team in every school.

If they released the parents, I think that the parents would have breached and beat this d bag to death. It may have come at a cost, but that's what parents do right?

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[mongoose]

Then you need to prevent the threat from gaining access to the building to begin with, because they’re ain’t enough skilled people to put a breaching team in every school.

I’ve built a lot of man traps for securing peoples money and Federal employees lives. We need to do the same for our kids.

 

[Havok1]

Pretty hard. Is it too much to expect above average when it's our children in the hands of .gov stewards?

Right? Unarmed people are willing to accept risks to put an end to a situation and protect kids who can’t protect themselves, but when it’s cops, some people will make every excuse in the book just for the sake of defending police.

 

[kbaxter60]

Then you need to prevent the threat from gaining access to the building to begin with, because they’re ain’t enough skilled people to put a breaching team in every school.

I would settle for a school staff with enough brain cells to lock the building down immediately at the sound of external gunfire.
Or even daily by routine.

 

[mongoose]

I would settle for a school staff with enough brain cells to lock the building down immediately at the sound of external gunfire.
Or even daily by routine.

No excuse for all perimeter doors not being secure. No excise for not having a viable security fence around the perimeter of the school grounds.

 

[toddnjoyce]

If they released the parents, I think that the parents would have breached and beat this d bag to death. It may have come at a cost, but that's what parents do right?

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Did one of the parents have a key or other suitable tool that the LEOs did not have?

 

[popper]

I’ve built a lot of man traps -- me too but the LOBBY is an equal IF an armed person is there, usually. Actual man trap for a school? Nope, too slow.
Below - torpedo damage to a ship, saved by crew that did what needed to be done. Mostly just a bunch of 18-20 yr old kids. 24 died when 4 boilers and turbines taken out. Nothing but plywood and 4x4s to plug the leak. Where there is a will, there is a way. No donut eaters there. No CYA opportunities. Yes, the gun crew got the dive bomber.

 

[mongoose]

I’ve built a lot of man traps -- me too but the LOBBY is an equal IF an armed person is there, usually. Actual man trap for a school? Nope, too slow.
Below - torpedo damage to a ship, saved by crew that did what needed to be done. Mostly just a bunch of 18-20 yr old kids. 24 died when 4 boilers and turbines taken out. Nothing but plywood and 4x4s to plug the leak. Where there is a will, there is a way. No donut eaters there. No CYA opportunities. Yes, the gun crew got the dive bomber.
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The man trap would be utilized once the kids were in school and only singles or small groups were looking for admittance to the school. It would be too slow for a large volume of students.