Am I elligible?

[mtaylor]

I may be real dense, but I am still wondering how "cop falsely arrested me for concealed carry in my vehicle, then lied and changed his story when his partner told him to let me go" equates to a charge of interference with a public official? This MUST be the charge that was pled down to. What was the reason you were in contact with LEO in the first place? I just feel there is more to the story.

 

[randmplumbingllc]

Well, first off, like I said the charges were droped. I got a coulpe of calls. One of them was an attempt to settle my loss.
Second, if you seem to think cops dont have to get along with anyone,then you just might need to stay where your at. We have a pretty damn good Sheriffs department out here because that kind of attitude doesnt fly around here. I think a lot of my sheriffs department and your sly remarks are uncalled for. Im starting to get the idea that you think cops can act any way they want to. A level of respect form both sides is always the best choice. Even my cop friends agree with me. One of them is even on this board and he seems to think that your attitude toward the public may just as well be the reason your not a cop!
No matter what conversation you engauge me in, you constantly insist supporting bad law enforcement. If it makes me a bad man because I despise wrongful arrest and poor police work, then so be it.
As to this thread topic, I really hope this kid takes up legal help with his issue because he was screwed around!

Not that I know ANYTHING, but txinvestigator is right on the money. London already pled out his case. It is all over. You can't "appeal" your case if you accept a deferred ajudication.

I know you can get a Arizona CCW. You can have misdemeanor conviction, as long as it is not for domestic violence.

13-3112. Concealed weapons; qualification; application; permit to carry; civil penalty; report; applicability
A. The department of public safety shall issue a permit to carry a concealed weapon to a person who is qualified under this section. The person shall carry the permit at all times when the person is in actual possession of the concealed weapon and is required by any other law to carry the permit. If the person is in actual possession of the concealed weapon and is required by any other law to carry the permit, the person shall present the permit for inspection to any law enforcement officer on request.
B. The permit of a person who is arrested or indicted for an offense that would make the person unqualified under section 13-3101, subsection A, paragraph 7 or this section shall be immediately suspended and seized. The permit of a person who becomes unqualified on conviction of that offense shall be revoked. The permit shall be restored on presentation of documentation from the court if the permittee is found not guilty or the charges are dismissed. The permit shall be restored on presentation of documentation from the county attorney that the charges against the permittee were dropped or dismissed.
C. A permittee who carries a concealed weapon, who is required by any other law to carry a permit and who fails to present the permit for inspection on the request of a law enforcement officer commits a violation of this subsection and is subject to a civil penalty of not more than three hundred dollars. The department of public safety shall be notified of all violations of this subsection and shall immediately suspend the permit. A permittee shall not be convicted of a violation of this section if the permittee produces to the court a legible permit that is issued to the permittee and that was valid at the time the permittee failed to present the permit for inspection.
D. A law enforcement officer shall not confiscate or forfeit a weapon that is otherwise lawfully possessed by a permittee whose permit is suspended pursuant to subsection C of this section, except that a law enforcement officer may take temporary custody of a firearm during an investigatory stop of the permittee.
E. The department of public safety shall issue a permit to an applicant who meets all of the following conditions:
1. Is a resident of this state or a United States citizen.
2. Is twenty-one years of age or older.
3. Is not under indictment for and has not been convicted in any jurisdiction of a felony unless that conviction has been expunged, set aside or vacated or the applicant's rights have been restored and the applicant is currently not a prohibited possessor under state or federal law.
4. Does not suffer from mental illness and has not been adjudicated mentally incompetent or committed to a mental institution.
5. Is not unlawfully present in the United States.
6. Has ever satisfactorily completed a firearms safety training program authorized by the department of public safety pursuant to subsection N, paragraph 1 of this section or has ever demonstrated competence with a firearm as prescribed by subsection N, paragraph 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 of this section and provides adequate documentation that the person has satisfactorily completed a training program or demonstrated competence with a firearm in any state or political subdivision in the United States. For the purposes of this paragraph, "adequate documentation" means:
(a) A certificate, card or document of completion from a firearms safety training program authorized pursuant to subsection N, paragraph 1 of this section, dated not more than five years earlier than the date of application, that has affixed to it the stamp, signature or seal of the instructor or organization that conducted the program, or a current or expired permit issued by the department of public safety pursuant to this section.
(b) An original or copy of a certificate, card or document that shows the applicant has completed any course or class prescribed by subsection N, paragraph 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 or 9 of this section or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club or organization that conducted or taught the course or class attesting to the applicant's completion of the course or class.
(c) An original or a copy of a United States department of defense form 214 (DD-214) indicating an honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions, a certificate of completion of basic training or any other document demonstrating proof of the applicant's current or former service in the United States armed forces as prescribed by subsection N, paragraph 6 of this section.
(d) An original or a copy of a concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or a license as prescribed by subsection N, paragraph 7 of this section.
F. The application shall be completed on a form prescribed by the department of public safety. The form shall not require the applicant to disclose the type of firearm for which a permit is sought. The applicant shall attest under penalty of perjury that all of the statements made by the applicant are true, that the applicant has been furnished a copy of chapters 4 and 31 of this title and that the applicant is knowledgeable about the provisions contained in those chapters. The applicant shall submit the application to the department with any documentation prescribed by subsection E of this section, two sets of fingerprints and a reasonable fee determined by the director of the department.
G. On receipt of a concealed weapon permit application, the department of public safety shall conduct a check of the applicant's criminal history record pursuant to section 41-1750. The department of public safety may exchange fingerprint card information with the federal bureau of investigation for federal criminal history record checks.
H. The department of public safety shall complete all of the required qualification checks within sixty days after receipt of the application and shall issue a permit within fifteen working days after completing the qualification checks if the applicant meets all of the conditions specified in subsection E of this section. If a permit is denied, the department of public safety shall notify the applicant in writing within fifteen working days after the completion of all of the required qualification checks and shall state the reasons why the application was denied. On receipt of the notification of the denial, the applicant has twenty days to submit any additional documentation to the department. On receipt of the additional documentation, the department shall reconsider its decision and inform the applicant within twenty days of the result of the reconsideration. If denied, the applicant shall be informed that the applicant may request a hearing pursuant to title 41, chapter 6, article 10. For the purposes of this subsection, "receipt of the application" means the first day that the department has physical control of the application and that is presumed to be on the date of delivery as evidenced by proof of delivery by the United States postal service or a written receipt, which shall be provided by the department on request of the applicant.
I. On issuance, a permit is valid for five years, except a permit that is held by a member of the United States armed forces, including a member of the Arizona national guard or a member of the reserves of any military establishment of the United States, who is on federal active duty and who is deployed overseas shall be extended until ninety days after the end of the member's overseas deployment.
J. The department of public safety shall maintain a computerized permit record system that is accessible to criminal justice agencies for the purpose of confirming the permit status of any person who is contacted by a law enforcement officer and who claims to hold a valid permit issued by this state. This information and any other records that are maintained regarding applicants, permit holders or instructors shall not be available to any other person or entity except on an order from a state or federal court. A criminal justice agency or other entity shall not use the computerized permit record system to conduct inquiries on whether a person is a concealed weapons permit holder unless the criminal justice agency or other entity has reasonable suspicion to believe the person is carrying a concealed weapon and the person is subject to a lawful criminal investigation, arrest, detention or an investigatory stop.
K. A permit issued pursuant to this section is renewable every five years. Before a permit may be renewed, a criminal history records check shall be conducted pursuant to section 41-1750 within sixty days after receipt of the application for renewal. For the purposes of permit renewal, the permit holder is not required to submit additional fingerprints.
L. Applications for renewal shall be accompanied by a fee determined by the director of the department of public safety.
M. The department of public safety shall suspend or revoke a permit issued under this section if the permit holder becomes ineligible pursuant to subsection E of this section. The department of public safety shall notify the permit holder in writing within fifteen working days after the revocation or suspension and shall state the reasons for the revocation or suspension.
N. An applicant shall demonstrate competence with a firearm through any of the following:
1. Completion of any firearms training program that is approved by the department of public safety and that is conducted by instructors who are authorized by the department of public safety or who possess current national rifle association instructor certifications in pistol and personal protection and who submit to a background investigation, including a check for warrants and a criminal history records check.
2. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class that is available to the general public, that is offered by a law enforcement agency, a junior college, a college or a private or public institution, academy, organization or firearms training school and that is approved by the department of public safety.
3. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Arizona game and fish department or a similar agency of another state.
4. Completion of any national rifle association firearms safety or training course.
5. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class that is offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies or other divisions or subdivisions of law enforcement or security enforcement and that is approved by the department of public safety.
6. Evidence of current military service or proof of honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions from the United States armed forces.
7. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.
8. Completion of any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualification to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties.
9. Completion of any other firearms training that the department of public safety deems acceptable.
O. If authorized pursuant to subsection N, paragraph 1 of this section, the organization on behalf of each of its instructors shall submit to the department of public safety two sets of fingerprints and a fee to be determined by the director of the department of public safety. On receipt of the fingerprints and fee, the department of public safety shall conduct a check of each instructor's criminal history record pursuant to section 41-1750. The department of public safety may exchange this fingerprint card information with the federal bureau of investigation for federal criminal history record checks.
P. The proprietary interest of all authorized instructors and programs shall be safeguarded, and the contents of any training program shall not be disclosed to any person or entity other than a bona fide criminal justice agency, except on an order from a state or federal court.
Q. If the department of public safety rejects a program, the rejected organization may request a hearing pursuant to title 41, chapter 6, article 10.
R. The department of public safety shall maintain information comparing the number of permits requested, the number of permits issued and the number of permits denied. The department shall annually report this information to the governor and the legislature.
S. The director of the department of public safety shall adopt rules for the purpose of implementing and administering this section including fees relating to permits that are issued pursuant to this section.
T. This state and any political subdivision of this state shall recognize a concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state if both:
1. The permit or license is recognized as valid in the issuing state.
2. The permit or license holder is all of the following:
(a) Legally present in this state.
(b) Not legally prohibited from possessing a firearm in this state.
U. For the purpose of establishing mutual permit or license recognition with other states, the department of public safety shall enter into a written agreement if another state requires a written agreement.
V. Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, a person with a concealed weapons permit from another state may not carry a concealed weapon in this state if the person is under twenty-one years of age or is under indictment for, or has been convicted of, a felony offense in any jurisdiction, unless that conviction is expunged, set aside or vacated or the person's rights have been restored and the person is currently not a prohibited possessor under state or federal law.
W. The department of public safety may issue certificates of firearms proficiency according to the Arizona peace officer standards and training board firearms qualification for the purposes of implementing the law enforcement officers safety act of 2004 (P.L. 108-277; 118 Stat. 865; 18 United States Code sections 926B and 926C). A law enforcement agency shall issue to a law enforcement officer who has honorably retired a photographic identification that states that the officer has honorably retired from the agency. The chief law enforcement officer shall determine whether an officer has honorably retired and the determination is not subject to review. A law enforcement agency has no obligation to revoke, alter or modify the honorable discharge photographic identification based on conduct that the agency becomes aware of or that occurs after the officer has separated from the agency.

 

[Renegade]

You know, I have to agree to the extent that they (prosecutors and defense attorneys) do not fully explain how a deferred can effect one's future. For many hiring purposes a deferred is a conviction also. Lots to consider....

It is pretty screwed up. Legally you can say you have no convictions, but many places ask treat you like it is. It should be treated like any other bench dismissal, as that is what it is.

 

[txinvestigator]

Well, first off, like I said the charges were droped. I got a coulpe of calls. One of them was an attempt to settle my loss.
Second, if you seem to think cops dont have to get along with anyone,then you just might need to stay where your at.

Typical reaction from you. I never wrote that. And fact that what I wrote goes right over your head is coinsistent with your immature, selfish, self-absorbed, chip in your shoulder attitude.

We have a pretty damn good Sheriffs department out here because that kind of attitude doesnt fly around here.

What attitude?

Im starting to get the idea that you think cops can act any way they want to.

Again, you think wrong. Another reaction wiithout thought

A level of respect form both sides is always the best choice. Even my cop friends agree with me.

I agree with that 100%. The bottom line is you cannot control others, and just because you THINK a cop should act a certain way or treat you in a certain manner does not mean that is what is called for.

One of them is even on this board and he seems to think that your attitude toward the public may just as well be the reason your not a cop!

Really? You gonna do the old, "I am going to pretend someone else agrees with me so my point is strong", thing? Really?

No matter what conversation you engauge me in, you constantly insist supporting bad law enforcement.

And who are YOU to say what is bad LE? Your attitude here certainly shows that you think YOU are the all-knowing of what is right, but you are not.

As to this thread topic, I really hope this kid takes up legal help with his issue because he was screwed around!

And there is your problem. You have no idea what happened to this "kid". (offensive that you refer to him this way). You are jumping to conclusions based on your bias towards LE, based soley on what you read in his posts.

 

[MR Redneck]

Sounds like you got it all figured out there Mr. investigator.
What you have done is convicted the thread autor without knowing anything other than what he posted. You have convicted me of being the anti cop when you really have no idea of anything about me.
I hate to keep wasting you time arguing with you because I have plent of other stuff to do and maybe you to. You wont change my opinion or my reactions. The comments you post toward me are worthless because all you do is try to make someone look bad .
Remember, any negative LE issues people post on this site have nothing to do with me at all. I just allow my feelings to be viewed by posting my opinion. I didnt do any of this mess to anyone and I sure as heck dont agree with it.

 

[MR Redneck]

A year and a half ago I was deferred for an interference charge (cop falsely arrested me for concealed carry in my vehicle, then lied and changed his story when his partner told him to let me go). It is a class B misdemeanor. I successfully completed the terms of my deferment.

Am I still able to get a CHL? One section of the CHL manual says (contrary to state law) that an adjudication IS a conviction. If I'm reading the manual correctly, anyone convicted of a class B cannot apply until five years after the conviction.

Also, I'm a student. If I do end up getting a CHL am I able to carry on campus? I remember Jeff Wentworth got a bill passed which allows concealed carry on campus, but I never heard anything of it after.

Landon, just a thought, but you may take interest in what randomplumbing posted.
Also while considering campus carry, I promise you Arizona will have it pretty soon. No CHL required out there!! Just a thought for you to ponder while considering schools...

 

[London]

Okay... as far as exact details go, I have a detailed version of events I wrote the day after I was released. I had a gun in my glove compartment and explained this to the cop. He arrested me for illegal concealed carry. Another cop arrived, told him it's not a crime and to let me go. He then lied and said I was interfering with his business. I will try to get to find the document I wrote. I will also try to get an exact date of the incident (I have my criminal record somewhere in my giant safe).

As far as getting a license in another state... I like that kind of thinking! Thank you to everybody who went out of their thinking of unique ideas to help me out. I'm going to fight a giant uphill battle and try to get this thing expunged. I'm a veteran and 4.0 college student. If I can't do it with those credentials, it can't be done. Not that it would surprise me.

Really, we shouldn't HAVE to get these things, but that's another battle.

 

[Renegade]

Okay... as far as exact details go, I have a detailed version of events I wrote the day after I was released. I had a gun in my glove compartment and explained this to the cop. He arrested me for illegal concealed carry. Another cop arrived, told him it's not a crime and to let me go. He then lied and said I was interfering with his business. I will try to get to find the document I wrote. I will also try to get an exact date of the incident (I have my criminal record somewhere in my giant safe).

How did he find out you had a gun in your glove?

 

[MR Redneck]

Okay... as far as exact details go, I have a detailed version of events I wrote the day after I was released. I had a gun in my glove compartment and explained this to the cop. He arrested me for illegal concealed carry. Another cop arrived, told him it's not a crime and to let me go. He then lied and said I was interfering with his business. I will try to get to find the document I wrote. I will also try to get an exact date of the incident (I have my criminal record somewhere in my giant safe).

As far as getting a license in another state... I like that kind of thinking! Thank you to everybody who went out of their thinking of unique ideas to help me out. I'm going to fight a giant uphill battle and try to get this thing expunged. I'm a veteran and 4.0 college student. If I can't do it with those credentials, it can't be done. Not that it would surprise me.

Really, we shouldn't HAVE to get these things, but that's another battle.

The only thing I can figure is you told the cop you had the gun in your vehicle out of respect to him asking. If your not a felon, its perfectly legal. If you were commiting a crime when he arrived then the issue cahnged. I really dont think you commited a crime because that aint why you went to jail is it?
Dont tell the cops anything!! Even if they ask, just simply say there is " NOTHING ILLEGAL IN MY VEHICLE"... You dont have to say anything else!
No matter who says so, and who thinks otherwise, over the period of my 37 years dealing with cops, I have found that you will encounter some that just have no respect for you or anyone else! I wish it werent that way but it is.
Remember this, in Arizona if you desired to attend school there, you dont need a license. They will also have campus carry pretty soon and you wont need a license for that either! If your not a felon then you shouldnt have a problem.
Good luck with this buddy, and please keep us informed. If there is anything I can do, I'll be glad to help.

 

[London]

The gun was in my glove compartment with my insurance, which he demanded to see even though he said I wasn't under arrest or being detained. Like I said, I'll try to dig up the old .doc I have of the events. After this whole shitstorm I bought and memorized You and the Police! by Boston T. Party. I recommend EVERY American do the same.

 

[txinvestigator]

I'm going to fight a giant uphill battle and try to get this thing expunged. I'm a veteran and 4.0 college student. If I can't do it with those credentials, it can't be done. Not that it would surprise me.

Really, we shouldn't HAVE to get these things, but that's another battle.

Unfortunately, you are not eligible for an expunction.

 

[txinvestigator]

The gun was in my glove compartment with my insurance, which he demanded to see even though he said I wasn't under arrest or being detained.

You are required to show proof of insurance if stopped for a traffic violation and an officer requests it. You don't have to be under arrest. ?????

 

[Texas1911]

Typical reaction from you. I never wrote that. And fact that what I wrote goes right over your head is coinsistent with your immature, selfish, self-absorbed, chip in your shoulder attitude. What attitude? Again, you think wrong

This penis measuring contest between the two of you is not helping the original poster. Both of you need to square your attitudes at the door, I'm tired of this shit.

 

[Bithabus]

You can get an Arizona non resident permit by mail. You can use your DD-214 as proof of training. You will be legal to carry until you are eligible for a Texas CHL.

Contact these people and request a packet. If they ask about a training course tell them you are a veteran.

Arizona Department of Public Safety
Attn: Concealed Weapons Permit Unit
P.O. Box 6488
Phoenix, Arizona 85005
Phone: (602) 256-6280 and (800) 256-6280
Fax: (602) 223-2928
Email: ccw@dps.state.az.us

 

[London]

Bithabus- I will do this ASAP. Thanks a million! Love your avatar, by the way. I actually have a Bullet Bill figure sitting on my entertainment center!

 

[Texan2]

Maybe I missed a post somewhere....why would someone take this plea if they were incorrectly charged and/or did not commit an offense?
It is my experience that when it sounds like there is more to the story...there is more to the story.

 

[Renegade]

Maybe I missed a post somewhere....why would someone take this plea if they were incorrectly charged and/or did not commit an offense?
It is my experience that when it sounds like there is more to the story...there is more to the story.

People who did not commit the offense are the exact type of people who would take the D/A option.

What you are essentially saying is, "judge, I did not do this, I have a clean record, and if you delay starting the trial for this for XX days, you will see I will not commit any offenses before then. In fact, I am so sure of this, if I do commit an offense, I will not fight this charge and will plead guilty. And the judge says, OK, you stay clean for XX days and I will toss out this charge." Deal.

Thus valuable court time is not wasted trying good folks, and good folks do not have spend $$$ to prove they are innocent.

So it is BS that D/A is treated like a guilty verdict.

 

[Texan2]

An interesting perspective....

Most defense lawyers love it when they see the state bring a case with no evidence and no elements of an actual offense, furthermore most prosecutors would never dream of filing such a weak case (given the facts that have been given to us).

That having been said, I would love to see the prosecution file. I would bet my eye teeth that there is a little something that has been left out of this story.

All that having been said, I believe that a D/A shouldn't count against you for a CHL.

 

[txinvestigator]

People who did not commit the offense are the exact type of people who would take the D/A option.

What you are essentially saying is, "judge, I did not do this, I have a clean record, and if you delay starting the trial for this for XX days, you will see I will not commit any offenses before then. In fact, I am so sure of this, if I do commit an offense, I will not fight this charge and will plead guilty. And the judge says, OK, you stay clean for XX days and I will toss out this charge." Deal.

Thus valuable court time is not wasted trying good folks, and good folks do not have spend $$$ to prove they are innocent.

So it is BS that D/A is treated like a guilty verdict.

That is hilarious. A deferred is for people who don't want to risk a trial and serious jail time, and they plead no contest and get a break if they behave. It is not designed for innocent people.

I suspect you know this, and are pulling our collective leg.

 

[Renegade]

That is hilarious. A deferred is for people who don't want to risk a trial and serious jail time, and they plead no contest and get a break if they behave. It is not designed for innocent people.

I did not say it was designed innocent people. I have no idea what it was designed for.

I was just answering his question as to why an innocent person would take a DA. All of the D/A I know of do not involve a No Contest plea. The charges are dismissed completely. which is a huge difference.

I myself would take a D/A on any charge if offered, since I know I could meet the terms of the deferment. Thus it would save me $$$ in hiring a lawyer to defend myself. No brainer for innocent people.