ATF proposed rule 2021R-05, Definition of “Frame or Receiver” and Identification of Firearms.

[Byrd666]

Note sent with an additional paragraph:

In addition, I would like know when our, the people of the United States of America, Legislative bodies abdicated their duties to the bureaucrats of various agencies within the government? Since when is it the job of some guy/girl that wasn't even elected to write laws that govern The People? The last I heard, the United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a communist dictatorship.

Probably not formatted properly but, i'm just getting tired of the bullshit coming out of D.C.

 

[Wiliamr]

Yeah context was how we buy them now. Completely unmarked.

What we still do not know is how much matching you can do to a block of aluminum before it is a firearm. Obviously a lot less than today

by "matching" I think you mean "machining" If so, it appears a block of aluminum that sits in the metal dealer could be loosely called a firearm. Does not matter if you are acquitted down the road. Once federal cops go after you, you are broke, on the streets but acquitted.

 

[Renegade]

by "matching" I think you mean "machining" If so, it appears a block of aluminum that sits in the metal dealer could be loosely called a firearm. Does not matter if you are acquitted down the road. Once federal cops go after you, you are broke, on the streets but acquitted.

Yes machining.

 

[Wiliamr]

Note sent with an additional paragraph:

In addition, I would like know when our, the people of the United States of America, Legislative bodies abdicated their duties to the bureaucrats of various agencies within the government? Since when is it the job of some guy/girl that wasn't even elected to write laws that govern The People? The last I heard, the United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a communist dictatorship.

Probably not formatted properly but, i'm just getting tired of the bullshit coming out of D.C.

Sadly, the laws have pretty much over the last 200 years once passed by Congress and signed by the President have been turned over to the various Departments, ( i.e., Treasury, Justice, Transportation, State, etc.) that have to publish regulations in the Federal Register and then go into effect.

 

[Darkpriest667]

These idiots do realize that if people don't want to comply all they have to do is walk out into their workshop? Like the ability to make a firearm unserialized, unregistered, even with rifling, AINT THAT DIFFICULT. We're being kind by complying. I've always been above board, but there is going to be a point and when that point tips expect the handy guy on your block with a full workshop to be pumping out full auto suppressed weapons pretty easily.

I noticed that mass shooting last week in Sacramento got quiet real quick when they found out who and what the perpetrators were. Criminals will NEVER abide by regulations. And making more regulations will not decrease their desire or ability to acquire firearms.

15 years ago I was joking about Texans and how we have all sorts of guns with some friends of mine, who happened to be Serbian and possibly affiliated with a criminal organization. They knew I was into guns and asked if I wanted an RPG. I said "serious?" they said "yeah we can go pick them up right now" THEM.. plural. The price was not outrageous either.

As porous as the border is. I'm pretty sure you could sneak any damned thing you want over it and have it into the hands of anyone within 24 hours.

 

[Byrd666]

Sadly, the laws have pretty much over the last 200 years once passed by Congress and signed by the President have been turned over to the various Departments, ( i.e., Treasury, Justice, Transportation, State, etc.) that have to publish regulations in the Federal Register and then go into effect.

Which is exactly why I added that statement.

 

[toddnjoyce]

True. But if what the video above gleaned from the White House press release is even close to the truth, the situation is pretty damned grim.

What is worse is the current administration is on a full court press in every agency to rewrite rules expanding their power and literally changing the law instead of the regulation.

It will take decades worth of law suits to unfûck all the changes that have occurred in the last 14 months.

 

[Aus_Schwaben]

Several of the European countries have the serial numbers of the frame and slide not to mention the odd few that have the serial numbers on the barrel as well. Sounds like that is the step the Feds want to take.

 

[seeker_two]

Maybe it's time to make being a BATFE employee an uncomfortable career choice.....as in public exposure and shunning....

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[Axxe55]

Maybe it's time to make being a BATFE employee an uncomfortable career choice.....as in public exposure and shunning....

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Or public hangings of the entire agency!

 

[motorcarman]

Why not make 79% blanks?

 

[Wiliamr]

Why not make 79% blanks?

With this "regulation" it is not the percentage one starts with so much as the fact one makes the frame - lower etc themselves.

 

[Eli]

80% was never an official rule - it was an industry standard without legal basis.
Most of what's going around about the new rules is paranoia, FUD, and fiction. There aren't going to be many changes in reality.

Eli

 

[Sam Colt]

So, with this hurricane of bullsh!t swirling, where do we stand TODAY on PSA rifle kits? GTG?

 

[toddnjoyce]

The ATF ruling is 364 pages long...

The silver lining is that with 364 pages, it's likely there are several areas that will be overturned...once challenged.

 

[Rhino]

The silver lining is that with 364 pages, it's likely there are several areas that will be overturned...once challenged.

That'll take longer than it will take them to pressure judges and stack courts. I think we're probably past that being the viable solution.

 

[Renegade]

The silver lining is that with 364 pages, it's likely there are several areas that will be overturned...once challenged.

These things are rarely overturned

 

[alwho421]

and again and again we have recent events that prove blue gun free zones are unsafe.

 

[toddnjoyce]

These things are rarely overturned

Yeah, I know. But the current administration is having a hard time rule making. I’m not exactly expecting a lot, but there are a few challenges to rules (in general) that offer a glimmer of hope in the fight against regulatory expansion.

…stack courts...

Already underway; there’s a tenth confirmed SCOTUS justice waiting in the wings and Breyer isn’t retired yet. The precedent is now set that by simply announcing a retirement fed judgeships will be waitlisted.

Maybe someday politicians will realize how badly politics have fûcked up good governance. Hell, who am I kidding?

 

[Asymmetrical]

The same "President" who oversaw the biggest miltary arms free-for-all giveaway in recent history is telling us here in America that "it's too easy to get an AR-15."