Ahh I see. I've never had to take it that far, my dogs always handle it for me.
+1 on man's best friend. I really think scum intruders are more scared of a dog's bark than the sound of a shotgun, or anything else, being chambered.
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I live in Dallas.
With a good Open Tip Match(OTM, fancy term for JHP), there is a reduced risk of overpentration, even in a miss. This is especially the case with 5.56x45/.223Rem. It is such that Dallas PD SWAT only uses shotguns for breaching now.
Now consider the virtues:
Lightweight(even w/ a light source)
More compact
20-30rd magazine
Faster relaods
Less recoil
Less muzzle rise
Easier to acquire sights
Ability to defeat armor
The vesatility alone makes the carbine the superior choice. You can engage multiple bad guys, faster, more accurately. Lets face it, thats how bad guys are coming now days, in groups, not solo. Furthermore, they are often wearing body armor(this is evidant in two home invasion shootings in Dallas, both times homeowners used a carbine, both times multiple baddies were stopped, both time baddies were wearing vests.).
You seem to not understand the concept of open tip rifle rounds and JHP. An open tip, or hollow point rifle round is for increased accuracy. It makes the round more stable in the air, and does nothing in regards to expansion. In fact, most like the sierra match king rounds do not expand quite as much as other rifle rounds. A JHP on the other hand is designed specifically to have greater expansion. JHP are also only hand gun munitions...
The argument of less overpenetration you have for a rifle round that flows through the air at over 2700fps is thrown through the window when you bring up the point of a rifle round being able to defeat body armor. Do you see where I am going here? Unless you have reinforced concrete or steal plate behind the drywall in your walls, if you miss someone, you can bet your bottom dollar that the round is going through your walls and into your neighbors. When I can take a 5.56x45mm round and put it through a .50BMG ammo can full of packed sand, I can tell you it will go through drywall no problem. They also fly through an entire mud hut in Iraq quite nicely.
Remember. This thread is about shotguns for home defense. Not a shotty vs. carbine for home defense thread.
A pistol or shotgun is great for home defense. Heavy dove shot will also suffice. Ask the dead fellows in Houston how well it put them down. Never mind, they are dead. 870's are battle tested sweet. I wish the Corps would have stuck with them, but alas gadgets abound these days.
+1 on man's best friend. I really think scum intruders are more scared of a dog's bark than the sound of a shotgun, or anything else, being chambered.
No sir, I understand exacty what OTMs do. I understand what the ar for. I also understand that as an ancillary benefit, they also have excellent fragmntation, which is caused when one expands.
Here is what a SMK round does: http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=001370
You are claiming that a 5.56x45/.223Rem with say an OTM will fly through both sides of an armored individual. That is false. See the link I provided above.
You are claiming that same said round will run through numerous drywall walls. This is also false, as it smacks against all testing done by various depts who use such weapons in their various SWAT teams and general patrol issue. If this was the case, you wouldnt see ARs in cruisers, but you do. You wouldnt see SWAT teams raiding houses wit these weapons, but you do.
When speaking of a 5.56x45/.223Rem chambered rifles, the round is going so fast, but its still a lightweight pojectile. It begins to disrupt itself, tearing itsef apart. That is why there is a reduced hazard of overpentration.
In additon to the link posted, you might also check out www.firearmstactical.com
Its about home defense. Period.
I will link to a fellow Texan who has shown exactly why birdshot of anykind is wholly inadquate for self defense. You are doing a dis-service to the folk reading your post reccomending birdshot for defense. It lacks penetration in the human body to be relied upon to stop. Ask PDs why they nver use birdshot to stop aggression. Then ask PDs why they went away fom pistol caliber carbines in favor of intemediate battle cartridges like 5.56x45/.223Rem. We know why they carry handguns, because of convenience.
And if you are refernceing Joe Horn, shooting people in the back is not something I would tout. The spinal column, and many vital organs are of mor accessability frm he back than fom the front or sides. Furthermore, we dont know what load he used.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot2.htm
after 50 rounds I'll just tell the police it was a shotgun.