Cop charged with murder

[Vaquero]

Warrants and badges aside.
I see an ambulatory man shoot another man, who is retreating, in the back.

Nothing makes this right.
There may be laws and judgements otherwise. I say they're wrong too.

I'll qualify this.
If I just witnessed another causing harm to any member of my family, he's toast.
I'll stand for my charges.

 

[Younggun]

Your insistence about how effective of devices they are only reinforce his argument that obviously it was not deployed effectively against the officer or he would have been unable to keep fighting and shoot him. Maybe you should go to your local station and ask for the same demonstration; maybe your logic and reading will get a hard reset.

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What if he had in effectively deployed a handgun?


I have some feelings, but I'm not gonna dig a whole calling for a hanging or full release when the evidence isn't perfectly clear.

Also, I still don't see the tampering with evidence. The cop got the taxer after the other cop arrived. The other cop couldn't have not seen him, he drops the taxer next to the wounded man, then speaks to other officer, then reholsters the taser. Just doesn't look like a nefarious plot to me.

Much is missing. But I do believe the stakes are raised if you attempt to fight a cop for his taser and shoot him with it.

Also, did I miss something. As I understand the man was shot two times (6 misses).

 

[Shorts]

Yall need to listen to the full dispatch audio: https://soundcloud.com/tom-cleary-17/officer-michael-slager-dispatch-audio-walter-scott-shooting

Watch it while you look at a dark screen, don't picture the video you have already seen. Let your own mind create the image based on what you hear and when you hear it.

223 calls out his stop beginning audio 7:34
dispatch copies at 7:48 (9:33am)

That is your start mark for the entire stop, the entire picture, everything one should take into consideration.

If you do that, instead of watching the synced video/audio or the original witness video, then you'll gain some understanding of the length of time certain events occurred. The officer was struggling with the subj for over a minute before he broke loose(now enter the beginning of witness footage) and then subject was shot.

The illusion created by this witness video is that the officer shot this guy right off the bat after he caught up to him from the traffic stop. That's false. The start of the video is merely where an onlooker is brought into the situation.

The officer struggled with the subj for at minimum of 1min before he broke loose(starting count from taser deployment), that's when witness video starts and brings us into the scene.



Also, I have issue with the issue of first aid. People griping about the timing of that stating officers radio doesn't match up with what was done on scene. But that's another post. Gotta run.

Listen to the audio only, dudes.

 

[Mike1234567]

Yall need to listen to the full dispatch audio: https://soundcloud.com/tom-cleary-17/officer-michael-slager-dispatch-audio-walter-scott-shooting

Watch it while you look at a dark screen, don't picture the video you have already seen. Let your own mind create the image based on what you hear and when you hear it.

223 calls out his stop beginning audio 7:34
dispatch copies at 7:48 (9:33am)

That is your start mark for the entire stop, the entire picture, everything one should take into consideration.

If you do that, instead of watching the synced video/audio or the original witness video, then you'll gain some understanding of the length of time certain events occurred. The officer was struggling with the subj for over a minute before he broke loose(now enter the beginning of witness footage) and then subject was shot.

The illusion created by this witness video is that the officer shot this guy right off the bat after he caught up to him from the traffic stop. That's false. The start of the video is merely where an onlooker is brought into the situation.

The officer struggled with the subj for at minimum of 1min before he broke loose(starting count from taser deployment), that's when witness video starts and brings us into the scene.



Also, I have issue with the issue of first aid. People griping about the timing of that stating officers radio doesn't match up with what was done on scene. But that's another post. Gotta run.

Listen to the audio only, dudes.

Yes, shot in the back while he was running away.

 

[Younggun]

Yes, shot in the back while he was running away.

To take a hostage?

To find a weapon?

To pet kittens?

What would his next action have been after showing he was willing to resort to violence to escape?


Let ALL the facts come out.

 

[Mike1234567]

Good grief... the man was just running away from the cop.

 

[duckknot]

Good grief... the man was just running away from the cop.

So you can speak on his behalf? You were there? You were in his head?

Everything in this thread is speculation and should be treated as such!

sent from wait...where am I!?

 

[winchster]

Good grief... the man was just running away from the cop.

Maybe he shouldn't have started a fight he couldn't finish.

 

[Mike1234567]

He... was... running... away. Shot... in... the... back.

 

[Younggun]

Running away doesn't fix things. It doesn't undo things. It doesn't mean the man wouldn't take violent action again in the future.


Wait for all the facts to come out.

 

[Mreed911]

He... was... running... away. Shot... in... the... back.

Which. Doesn't. Make. It. Unjustified.

 

[benenglish]

Maybe he shouldn't have started a fight he couldn't finish.

What did was him attacking the cop.

As I learn more I become acutely aware of how little I know. Seems like all life works like that.

These statements, however, refer to an act I have not yet seen substantiated. I probably just missed it in all the overlapping statements, videos, and audio evidence.

From what evidence do we conclude he attacked the cop?

Or is there a counterintuitive, unknown-to-me-but-legal definition of "started a fight" or "attacking the cop" that is in play here?

 

[Shorts]

Yes, shot in the back while he was running away.

At what point did I dispute that fact?

 

[Shorts]

Ben, listen to the dispatch audio. A trained ear understands what that traffic is. There was a physical altercation.

 

[benenglish]

Ben, listen to the dispatch audio. A trained ear understands what that traffic is. There was a physical altercation.

My problem, I guess. I did listen, intently, twice. I don't have a trained ear, obviously, since I hear nothing on there that tells me the dead man started the fight or attacked the cop.

However, I did not mean to imply there was no physical altercation. Obviously, there was an extended physical altercation.

 

[Shorts]

My problem, I guess. I did listen, intently, twice. I don't have a trained ear, obviously, since I hear nothing on there that tells me the dead man started the fight or attacked the cop.

However, I did not mean to imply there was no physical altercation. Obviously, there was an extended physical altercation.

Ok. I'm thinking of transcribing the audio just for fun. If I do I'll get that posted.

 

[TheDan]

Just reinforces that EVERY crime is potentially a capital crime.

qft

From the evidence in the link, if true, I would lean towards the shoot being justified. Based on initial video alone, I had the opposite feeling.

I didn't want to dismiss the possibility of it being justified right off the bat even though it seemed unlikely. The thing that still bothers me is the moving of the taser. Staging the evidence... bad ju ju

Most any jury will solidly convict me. Does a cop have more rights than you or me?

Rights? no... More legal protections; yes. Not saying that's right, but that's government for you.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Well, if this had been in Texas, at night, & he had stolen something from your house & was unarmed, running away......

 

[Shorts]

Ok, because I apparently have no life, I've roughly, unofficially and haphazardly transcribed the dispatch audio with the witness video and the dash cam. I am not affiliated in any way whatsoever with any of the parties involved. I'm merely an internet surfer.

Caveats:

1. Some time stamps overlap because events overlap. That's just the way it is in the real world when things go down.

2. No, the times don't add up completely on the dot if you knit-pickily try to do the math.

3. I don't really care if the names of streets or locations or even units aren't what they actually are. They're representative. If you can do better, be my guest. But start from a blank sheet, you don't get to use mine as a template.

4. format is: youtube vid time stamp/dispatch audio time stamp [unit] dialog

5. I color coded priority of actions to show how quickly the stop escalated and provide visual context of the timing and severity of events leading up to the shooting, including the arrival of the witness.

6. I didn't bother color coding after the shooting. I'd be speculating rather than using working knowledge. My intention for this transcription was to provide visual context for the struggle that took place off camera. Considering humans are visual creatures, and we are given video of the beginning (which is ho hum routine and not unexpected) and the last third of the stop(which only witnessed the culmination of events), I used radio traffic to create the image for the missing middle portion.

7. <BEEP> are your time checks, either within the audio recording or on dispatch's CAD. Just a reference, not important to the storyline.

Happy reading


00:04/07:34 [223] 223 traffic stop
07:37 [DISPATCH] 223
07:38 [223] Green Mount and Dakota, on a grey colored Mercedes, 891318GolfGolf
00:18/07:47 [DISPATCH](unintelligible)by 223 at 9:33
00:34/08:03 55 times one record channel
08:06 [DISPATCH] (unintelligible) 55 at 9:33
1:00/09:06 223 MAKES CONTACT WITH DRIVER
1:39/09:08 [DISPATCH] 801
09:14 [801] 801
09:17 [DISPATCH](unintelligible) stolen vehicle occurred overnight 2426 woodstop avenue, 2426 woodstop, from the (unintelligible). A female requested to meet in person
2:03/09:32 [801] copy
2:22/09:51 223 RETURNS TO VEHICLE TO RUN DL
2:42/10:11 DRIVER EXITS VEHICLE FIRST TIME
2:43/10:12 [223] HAVE A SEAT IN THE CAR!
3:05/10:33 DRIVER RUNS FROM VEHICLE
3:08/10:36 [223] (car door) 223 dispatch, getting on foot down craig street, black male green shirt blue pants
3:15/10:43 [DISPATCH] copy black male green shirt blue pants, down craig street, all units notice of emergency status, (unintelligible)223 chasing on foot <BEEP>
3:20/10:48 [223] TASER! TASER! TASER!
3:34/11:01 [55] 55 dispatch I copy, I’m enroute from scarborough cove
3:35/11:02 [223] (UNINTELLIGIBLE YELLING)
3:37/11:06 [241] 241s enroute
11:08 [DISPATCH] copy 9:36
3:40/11:09 GET DOWN!
3:41/11:10 [223] GET DOWN NOW!
3:44/11:11 [223] GET ON THE GROUND NOW!
11:11 I’m deferring, I’m enroute to help, just for 23, where’s your direction of travel at?
3:46 [223] GET ON THE GROUND NOW!
3:47 223s RADIO GOES SILENT, MIC IS NOT KEYED
3:54/11:22 223s RADIO MAKES SCUFFLING NOISE
3:59/11:27 where are you at now? (tires squealing). 223S RADIO GOES SILENT AGAIN
4:02/11:31 <BEEP>
4:07/11:34 [223] we’re running down craig street. LIE ON THE GROUND. Turn right down yellow driveway through the pawn shop
4:18/11:46 copy I’m almost there, heading that way now (engine acceleration, tires squealing)
4:22/11:51 456 step it up
4:25/11:54 10-4, I’m code (engine noise)
4:28/11:56 [5] (sirens) 55 dispatch give me across for craig
4:31/12:00 [DISPATCH] green mount road next to the money man (4:33/12:02 ENTER WITNESS VIDEO) and the fire station
4:47/12:16 SUBJECT BREAKS FREE FROM 223
4:48/12:17 223 FIRES
4:51/12:20 Aright I’m at the rivers and (unintelligible) pawn shop, where you at now?
4:57/12:26 [223] 223 dispatch, shots fired, subject is down, he grabbed my taser
12:31 <BEEP>
12:32 [DISPATCH] (unintelligible) 223 shots fired (5:04 [WITNESS] OH SHIT; [223] TO SUBJECT, PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!), he grabbed your taser subject is down (5:08 [WITNESS] SHIT) at 9:38
5:12/12:40 [34] 34 copies, I’m enroute
12:43 [DISPATCH] Copy 34 at 9:38
5:16/12:44 [WITNESS] SHIT
5:17/12:45 [223] PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!
5:26/12:54 223 APPLIES HANDCUFFS
5:27/12:56 [241] 241 in the area I’m gonna attempt to locate them (223 BEGINS WALKING FROM SUBJT TOWARDS THE SPOT OF ALTERCATION)
12:58 [DISPATCH] dispatch copy 9:38
13:03 –rivers
5:37/13:04 (unintelligible, sirens) dispatch start ems (223 PICKS OBJECT/TASER OFF THE GROUND)
5:40/13:07 [UNIT ARRIVING ON SCENE] –KIT!
13:08 [DISPATCH]dispatch copy
5:43/13:10 -directly behind the pawn shop
5:51/13:19 [223] (sirens, heavy breathing) 223 dispatch (heavy breathing), I need a (exhale), a unit to secure my vehicle
13:26 [DISPATCH] copy 223
13:28 copy, where’s your vehicle?
6:02/13:31 <BEEP>
6:03 [WITNESS] F******ABUSE
6:05/13:34 [DISPATCH]green mount and Dakota was the location of the stop (UNIT PUTTING ON GLOVES OVER SUBJ)
6:09/13:37 [241] 241 dispatch, I’m with his vehicle at advanced auto parts
6:13/13:41 [DISPATCH] copy 241, securing vehicle at advanced auto (UNIT KNEELS TO ADMIN AID)
6:17/13:46 (sirens) 223 are you 10-4?
6:21/13:49 [223] everyone’s 10-4(exhale), except for the suspect. (inhale), if you will come behind the pawn shop with a kit(inhale) Gun shot wound(exhale), looks like the chest(exhale)(6:23 223 PICKS UP OBJECT FROM THE GROUND AND PUTS IN BELT AREA) (a deep breath exhale), to the right side. Non-responsive.
14:05 [EMS] (sirens) I copy, make sure the scene is secure
6:40/14:09 [223] It is (exhale). We’ve got another gunshot wound to the buttocks (heavy breathing)
6:49/14:18 [DISPATCH] Confirm location of the gunshot victim
6:54/14:23 [223] we’re behind the pawn shop(exhale). If you see my car next to duros, we’re behind the pawn shop(exhale), in the grassy field
7:01/14:30 [DISPATCH] copy, you’re referring to megapawn on Rivers?
14:35 [223] True, Megapawn
7:10/14:36 [DISPATCH] 35654 Rivers Avenue, dispatch copy at 9:40
7:31 223 LEANS DOWN AND CHECKS SUBJS CAROTID PULSE
7:55/15:24 [75] 75s coming on scene
7:59/15:28 [55] 55s onscene
8:01/15:30 [DISPATCH] copy 55. The unit before 55 what’s your badge number?
8:07/15:36 [75] 75
15:38 [DISPATCH] units (?) at 9:41
8:12/15:41 yeah dispatch we are on the rural road directly behind the MegaPawn
8:18/15:47 [DISPATCH] copy at 9:41
8:35/15:50 <BEEP>
9:19/16:48 156 dispatch
9:21/16:50 156
9:26/16:56 (unintelligible) at EMS, black male mid 20s to 30s, (9:29 OFCS RENDERING AID TO SUBJ) gunshot wound to the left side, to the back, one left side to the buttocks. Non responsive. At this, time first aid.
17:12 (unintelligible) -the scene is secure when they get there
17:15 -(unintelligible)
9:49/17:17 [DISPATCH] Dispatch copy at 9:42
17:21 <BEEP>
9:53/17:22 [214] (sirens) 214 is coming on scene, where do you want to meet, everybody?
9:59/17:28 WITNESS VIDEO GOES DARK
10:02/17:31 (unintelligible), we’re starting chest compressions
10:26/17:55 223(unintelligible)
10:32/18:01 [DISPATCH] 223
10:34/18:02 [223] you ask somebody to secure my vehicle?
10:36 VIDEO FEED FROM 223S VEH AT ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STOP LOCATION
18:05 [DISPATCH]affirmative, 241s at your vehicle
10:43/18:12 PASSENGER IS PATTED DOWN AT VEHICLE
18:12 [214] 214 dispatch I’m gonna be setting up a crime scene tape on the craig street side
10:50/18:10 [DISPATCH] copy 241 crime scene tape at craig street side
18:37 dispatch tell the EMS unit the best way to get through is use the parking lot of megapawn or on craig street. The property is fenced off.
18:51 [DISPATCH] copy 156 9:44
18:55 [34] 34 dispatch, I’m onscene
18:58 [DISPATCH] dispatch copy 34 9:44
19:12 do we have any secondary area for crime scene needed for units at this time?
19:17 just uh 223s car or crime right now is secured. Between craig and Rivers you can also secure, I believe that where they ran from
19:30 [214] 214 dispatch there’s an EMS on Lima. If you tell them to turn down Craig he can come in this way.
19:37 [DISPATCH] Affirmative, they’ve been advised
19:41 <BEEP>
12:12/19:42 ok he’s onscene now. EMS is onscene turning into the back lot off of Craig
20:05 [348] 348s got a crime scene log
20:08 [DISPATCH] copy 348 conducting a crime scene log at 9:45
23:21 <BEEP BEEP>
23:36 [DISPATCH] 55
25:06 [36] 36 to dispatch, I copy uh the incident. I’m on my way.
25:13 [DISPATCH] (unintelligible) copy 9:50
25:24 [55] 55
25:30 [DISPATCH] copy
25:31 <BEEP>
25:32 [55] did anybody request crime scene?
25:35 affirmative, we’re processing, make notifications sir
25:47 [16] 16 dispatch, be advised, detectives have been notified
25:51 <BEEP>
25:52 (unintelligible radio echo)
25:56 208 yeah what’s going on?
26:31 <BEEP BEEP>
26:43 208 you on?
27:12 [75] 201 75
27:23 [201] 201 you call 75?
27:25 [75] affirmative, if I can get one of yall to go to alpha real quick, regarding this.
27:31 <BEEP>
28:38 [4] 4 dispatch
28:41 [DISPATCH] go on
28:43 [4] Exact location?
28:51 Call 4, we’re right off of uh craig street. You get there from Craig street around the pawn shop on Rivers Ave near uh the Gerald’s and Marie’s diner
29:01 <BEEP>
29:02 [4] 10-4
30:30 END OF AUDIO

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Nice work Monica!