I wasn't accusing, I was asking. And whose data are your conclusions coming from? The government?Since you too are accusing me, where did I say I trusted the government? I analyze the data and draw my own conclusions, they just differ from yours.
I wasn't accusing, I was asking. And whose data are your conclusions coming from? The government?Since you too are accusing me, where did I say I trusted the government? I analyze the data and draw my own conclusions, they just differ from yours.
Where does your data come by? We both analyze and decide what to do. That’s called choice. I respect your opinion even if I don’t agree with it. What I don’t like is being called a liar, which you have not done, as all my posts are here written in stone I guess.I wasn't accusing, I was asking. And whose data are your conclusions coming from? The government?
I didn't call you a liar, I believe you're being mislead, but not lying. Of course I listen to what the government and those that follow the narrative given by them, but that's much the reason of my distrust. It's just too coordinated, and then they seem to often slip up and say exactly what they are up to.Where does your data come by? We both analyze and decide what to do. That’s called choice. I respect your opinion even if I don’t agree with it. What I don’t like is being called a liar, which you have not done, as all my posts are here written in stone I guess.
I didn’t say you called me a liar. Others have. Look, I have no problem with you believing and acting on what you think is right. We can agree to disagree.I didn't call you a liar, I believe you're being mislead, but not lying. Of course I listen to what the government and those that follow the narrative given by them, but that's much the reason of my distrust. It's just too coordinated, and then they seem to often slip up and say exactly what they are up to.
I didn't call you a liar, I believe you're being mislead, but not lying. Of course I listen to what the government and those that follow the narrative given by them, but that's much the reason of my distrust. It's just too coordinated, and then they seem to often slip up and say exactly what they are up to.
I didn’t say you called me a liar. Others have. Look, I have no problem with you believing and acting on what you think is right. We can agree to disagree.
Sorry to butt in.None of anything to do with Covid is proven. But since you butted into a conversation between me and oldag what did I say that was not true or where did I say there were no long term risks?
When on a site like this it is very easy to mix up who said what and THINK that one person specifically said something. When we look back at what others have written though we frequently find that what we thought they said was not actual.
Statement like "most of what you said is speculation", what speculation are you talking about? Where do you guys get this from?
Virtually all data comes from government. Some very limited amount may come from a local facility. When I post local deaths from COVID in my community it is still government but from local people that I personally know (and trust). You don’t get death certificate numbers in general unless it’s through government. The harsh reality of government. I personally don’t think anyone in government is smart enough to put together the conspiracy some believe in.If your data comes from NIAID (NIH) or the CDC it is coming from the U.S. government. If your data is coming from the WHO it is coming from many governments. There are both profit and nonprofit institutes and organizations that compile medical data all over the world that don't rely on grants and funding from governments. Think on whom you get your data, and whom may have an agenda.
"350,000,000 doses later in the U.S. and you are still waiting for more data, that's okay- 5 years, 10 years, how long do you want to wait?"Where did I say that?
I have always claimed there is a risk benefit ratio to any vaccine. Sabin polio vaccine caused a few cases of polio. There is no 100 % safe or effective vaccine. My issue on the 350,000,000 doses was how long should we wait and did you feel that the vaccine should be recalled, as Sabin vaccine was. Should an individual have a choice to take a vaccine now with possible unknown future risks or should there been an automatic time span (5-10 years) before it is released for general use? Should the government deny you the right to risk your own life on a vaccine or for an experimental cancer treatment? I never claimed that people wouldn't die from the vaccine. My claim was that more people would die from not having the vaccine."350,000,000 doses later in the U.S. and you are still waiting for more data, that's okay- 5 years, 10 years, how long do you want to wait?"
Read the whole of your posts on this subject. Are you now crawfishing and saying there are long term risks?
Who said anything about local facilities? I was talking world. Just off the top of my head I can list countries with doctors and scientists that I've heard from: U.S., Canada, Great Britain, France, Germany, Austria, Israel, Chile, China, Korea and Japan. I'm sure there is some I left out.Virtually all data comes from government. Some very limited amount may come from a local facility. When I post local deaths from COVID in my community it is still government but from local people that I personally know (and trust). You don’t get death certificate numbers in general unless it’s through government. The harsh reality of government. I personally don’t think anyone in government is smart enough to put together the conspiracy some believe in.
How do you know more won't die from the vaccine when it has not been fully tested?I have always claimed there is a risk benefit ratio to any vaccine. Sabin polio vaccine caused a few cases of polio. There is no 100 % safe or effective vaccine. My issue on the 350,000,000 doses was how long should we wait and did you feel that the vaccine should be recalled, as Sabin vaccine was. Should an individual have a choice to take a vaccine now with possible unknown future risks or should there been an automatic time span (5-10 years) before it is released for general use? Should the government deny you the right to risk your own life on a vaccine or for an experimental cancer treatment? I never claimed that people wouldn't die from the vaccine. My claim was that more people would die from not having the vaccine.
As I said in another post, 341 deaths from Covid in Wichita County, my county, one was fully vaccinated.
Sounds like a VAXademic. (might need a cure for the VAX?)If that is true, then by the CDC's own admission of only 1% to 10% of cases are reported, that could be a catastrophic amount of people dying from these vaccines.
If that weren't so true it would be even funnier!Who's the lab rat?