Hospital official says one dead, 19 injured after car plows into a group of protesters in downtown C

[Younggun]

From what I've read there were many that fit the "piece of shit" term on both sides.

I agree completely. And though I've spent plenty of time calling for the prosecution of violent protesters with Antifa and their kind, this guy wasn't a member of one of those groups.

As Trump mentioned, there is violence coming from "many sides" and it must stop. But in this case it's not really relevant. This guy is a piece of shit. He and his kind trying to piggyback on to the conservative platform in order to gain presence and I have no interest in allowing that to be construed as something conservatives are ok with.

When Antifa or BLM acts out violently again I will once again call them out for it. There is no moral difference between Antifa and white supremacy groups.

 

[Younggun]

If you were referring to the scuffles earlier in the day, I agree it was likely mutual stupidity between 2 mutually stupid groups.

 

[AustinN4]

From what I've read there were many that fit the "piece of shit" term on both sides.

I'd make that most.

 

[easy rider]

I'd make that most.

It's hard to distinguish which are just "morons" for getting in the middle of the melee and the "piece of shits" causing it.

 

[AustinN4]

It's hard to distinguish which are just "morons" for getting in the middle of the melee and the "piece of shits" causing it.

You are too kind.

 

[diesel1959]

I agree completely. And though I've spent plenty of time calling for the prosecution of violent protesters with Antifa and their kind, this guy wasn't a member of one of those groups.

As Trump mentioned, there is violence coming from "many sides" and it must stop. But in this case it's not really relevant. This guy is a piece of shit. He and his kind trying to piggyback on to the conservative platform in order to gain presence and I have no interest in allowing that to be construed as something conservatives are ok with.

When Antifa or BLM acts out violently again I will once again call them out for it. There is no moral difference between Antifa and white supremacy groups.

/agreed\ But here's the thing, as much as I hate the racist, fascist white supremacy idjits, Terry McAuliffe has no right to tell them or anyone that they can't come and go in "his" state so long as they're US citizens or have legal status. No matter how hateful the filth they spew may be, the First Amendment protects their rights every bit as much as anyone else. And those same hateful white supremacists have rights of freedom of association and to request redress of grievances just like any other group of folks out there. Here's something I posted elsewhere that I believe to be appropriate here and now:

"The solution to speech that you don't like is more speech. EVERYONE has the right to express their opinion--no matter how hateful that particular speech may be--so long as it is only speech and doesn't cross the line into threats and incitement. I am backing NO ONE in this incident; however, no matter how hateful a group's message may be, they've got a First Amendment right to spew their filth.

Speech does NOT equate to violence. NOTHING someone says while exercising their First Amendment rights entitles someone else to react with violence. All our parents taught us that sticks and stones would break our bones but that words will never hurt us. It's time for everyone--from antifa to straight up leftists to progressives, to centrists, to onlookers, to conservatives, to evangelicals, to skinheads, to racists, to fascists--to get a grip on reality and realize that you can believe what you want, and say pretty much what you want; however, your fist must stop at the other person's nose. PERIOD."

 

[pbridges]

Only thing is Antifa members will not not go one on one, because they know they would get crap knock out them. Cowards...!


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[zincwarrior]

Only thing is Antifa members will not not go one on one, because they know they would get crap knock out them. Cowards...!


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It wasn't antifa that just committed terrorism and murdered people with a car.

 

[gdr_11]

My take is that as soon as the intent to hold the protest gathering was made public the Soros backed Antifa and other liberal wings made plans to disrupt with violence as they did in Berkeley and other cities. George Soros is intent on creating havoc in the U.S. as a means of undermining the conservatives and this gathering played right into his hands. My understanding is that the local LEO stood by and allowed the Antifa crowd to attack the outnumbered protesters, probably at the direction of the Mayor and the Governor. I have no part in the doctrine of any of the protestors, but I can certainly smell a media blitz fueled by a New World Order billionaire, especially when they throw Trumps name around in a melee that had absolutely nothing to do with the White House, the Republican Party or political conservatives in general. The media makes sure they throw in terms like "the extreme right" and then quickly link to Trump instead of describing these folks as the fringe element that they are. With that said, the liberals and the media would have us believe that the only ones with the right to free speech are the BLM, Muslims, and every other anti-government group in the country.

 

[zincwarrior]

Which is fine.bothloser groups came armed to fight. Unfortunately the police broke that up as it was eminently entertaining and whoever lost, we won. The car guy, however, is terrorism and should be treated as such with everyone involved given the needle.

 

[diesel1959]

It wasn't antifa that just committed terrorism and murdered people with a car.

You are correct, except it was one person that was killed, which of course, minimizes the gravity of the situation not one bit. It was a horrible situation.

 

[Younggun]

/agreed\ But here's the thing, as much as I hate the racist, fascist white supremacy idjits, Terry McAuliffe has no right to tell them or anyone that they can't come and go in "his" state so long as they're US citizens or have legal status. No matter how hateful the filth they spew may be, the First Amendment protects their rights every bit as much as anyone else. And those same hateful white supremacists have rights of freedom of association and to request redress of grievances just like any other group of folks out there. Here's something I posted elsewhere that I believe to be appropriate here and now:

"The solution to speech that you don't like is more speech. EVERYONE has the right to express their opinion--no matter how hateful that particular speech may be--so long as it is only speech and doesn't cross the line into threats and incitement. I am backing NO ONE in this incident; however, no matter how hateful a group's message may be, they've got a First Amendment right to spew their filth.

Speech does NOT equate to violence. NOTHING someone says while exercising their First Amendment rights entitles someone else to react with violence. All our parents taught us that sticks and stones would break our bones but that words will never hurt us. It's time for everyone--from antifa to straight up leftists to progressives, to centrists, to onlookers, to conservatives, to evangelicals, to skinheads, to racists, to fascists--to get a grip on reality and realize that you can believe what you want, and say pretty much what you want; however, your fist must stop at the other person's nose. PERIOD."

I'm not sure what this has to do with my posts. I've not made any requests or posts advocating the banning of any types of speech. I specifically said those who use violence.

This thread is about a guy who mowed people down with his car because they disagreed with his ideas. That's what my comments have been in reference too (except for a short derailment in the absence of new info)

I'd happily switch gears to "are mean words protected by the 1A", but I think it would go some thing like

You: Yes

Me: I agree

/discussion

I guess I'm just a little confused with what point you disagree with in my post as the point you make in yours seems unrelated to what I've said.

My only question related to his actions and the legal ramifications is "will the next Antifa attack also be treated as terrorism now that using violence against those exercising 1A rights has garnered the label in both media and gov.

 

[diesel1959]

I'm not sure what this has to do with my posts. I've not made any requests or posts advocating the banning of any types of speech. I specifically said those who use violence.

This thread is about a guy who mowed people down with his car because they disagreed with his ideas. That's what my comments have been in reference too (except for a short derailment in the absence of new info)

I'd happily switch gears to "are mean words protected by the 1A", but I think it would go some thing like

You: Yes

Me: I agree

/discussion

I guess I'm just a little confused with what point you disagree with in my post as the point you make in yours seems unrelated to what I've said.

My only question related to his actions and the legal ramifications is "will the next Antifa attack also be treated as terrorism now that using violence against those exercising 1A rights has garnered the label in both media and gov.

I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said. Quoting you was not meant to imply that. The "/agreed\" stood on its own in that regard. What followed was me furthering the thoughts that I was having with regard to dunderhead Terry McAuliffe and others. Nothing in my post indicated that I disagreed with you. :cheers:

 

[peeps]

Which is fine.bothloser groups came armed to fight. Unfortunately the police broke that up as it was eminently entertaining and whoever lost, we won. The car guy, however, is terrorism and should be treated as such with everyone involved given the needle.

I agree he needs the needle, but I'm holding judgement on the terrorist idea until more details come out. I read somewhere he turned around after a rock was thrown at his car....

 

[zincwarrior]

I agree he needs the needle, but I'm holding judgement on the terrorist idea until more details come out. I read somewhere he turned around after a rock was thrown at his car....

Look at the video, including the drone footage. This is an ISIL style attack.

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

Where's the drone footage?

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[zincwarrior]

Sorry on cell. Google it and it will pop right up.

 

[diesel1959]

Look at the video, including the drone footage. This is an ISIL style attack.

you saying there's some DAESH-cam view of the idiocy?




too early?

 

[wakal]

Well, we can't all DAESH out and get a camera like that...

Unconfirmed sources are indicating that they observed brand new Nazi flags (with creases from the packages) being waved around by the same folks who got off the Soros Buses (TM). Waiting for pictures now.

I do find it amusing that the dead tree media is calling this a Nazi right vs. Lefty protestor issue, when Nazis and Communists are the same side of the political spectrum. Lots of Communist, BLM, the same sort of racist morons as all the rest of the Obama/Leftists, running around against...whom, exactly?

Very odd.

 

[Younggun]

Look at the video, including the drone footage. This is an ISIL style attack.

Not even close to "ISIS style". His car didn't even blow up.

I can think of reasons for this to fall under the definition of terrorism, but making statements about "isis style" is ridiculous unless you can show me some pattern of ISIS driving vehicles in to a crowd then fleeing.