Lakewood Church (Joel Osteen's) Shooting

[DaBull]

What was she doing in the backpack? Getting a tuna fish sammich out?

If her goal was to detonate something, as she said, why even bother with AR- just go into bathroom or such and go visit Allah?

I don't think she actually had a bomb. Aside from spare mags (I counted over 30 rounds fired), it looked like little propane bottles or fake explosive bundles. She had a yellow wire running from her hand to something.

 

[Steve In Texas]

Shots are loud and echo such a location. Under fire it is really challenging to know what is going on over there and even where there is. Using cover is good tactics.

I do not have a time line showing when the one bystander was hit. Judging from the video pieces seen thus far, once security started shooting back and thus containing the perpetrator there were no additional casualties. That is the best outcome. It could only have been better had the perpetrator been taken down by the first two or three shots fired at her.

 

[Lead Belly]

I don't think she actually had a bomb. Aside from spare mags (I counted over 30 rounds fired), it looked like little propane bottles or fake explosive bundles. She had a yellow wire running from her hand to something.

Heck of a poker bluff whilst kid is in tow.

 

[striker55]

Big thank you to the security at church.

 

[deemus]

Heck of a poker bluff whilst kid is in tow.

Knowing now that she was Schizophrenic, it likely was not a bluff. But a lapse in reality. There's a good chance she actually thought there was a bomb in there.

 

[leVieux]

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But, but, but;

it was a GUNFREE ZONE !

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[striker55]

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But, but, but;

it was a GUNFREE ZONE !

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Not a gun free zone, no signs and I hope this doesn't change things. I carry concealed and I'm guessing I'm not the only one.

 

[DocBeech]

Qualified immunity....what other profession can one be legally protected from not doing their job?

The Supreme Court ruled their job is not to protect us. It is to protect the cities assets etc. Legally... It has been ruled it isn't their job to respond or protect you during an active shooting and at other times.

 

[seeker_two]

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Gee, I wonder what if we’d shift money from consultants and lobbyists to pay our LEO’s better ?

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Incompetent LEOs with bigger paychecks....

 

[DaBull]

Big thank you to the security at church.

It certainly helps to hire off duty cops.

 

[DaBull]

Knowing now that she was Schizophrenic, it likely was not a bluff. But a lapse in reality. There's a good chance she actually thought there was a bomb in there.

Just speculation on my part, but I am guessing she planned to die and figured her boy might as well go too...and maybe serve as a human shield in the process.

Ironic, since she had Palestine on her rifle and they use human shields.

 

[deemus]

Hard to know the mind of a mentally ill person. Not one theory in this thread is off the table.

 

[DocBeech]

Just speculation on my part, but I am guessing she planned to die and figured her boy might as well go too...and maybe serve as a human shield in the process.

Ironic, since she had Palestine on her rifle and they use human shields.

In the video he is screaming for them to stop shooting at him... I am not so sure.

 

[DaBull]

In the video he is screaming for them to stop shooting at him... I am not so sure.

If she was concerned for his safety, she could have let him play golf in the rain, swim in shark infested waters, or play with matches and he would have been safer than between her and the TABC officer...where she left him. Most active shooters are suicidal and do themselves once confronted with real force, and they suddenly realize the reality of shooting at that moment doesn't live up to the fantasies they have been having for months.

 

[DocBeech]

If she was concerned for his safety, she could have let him play golf in the rain, swim in shark infested waters, or play with matches and he would have been safer than between her and the TABC officer...where she left him. Most active shooters are suicidal and do themselves once confronted with real force, and they suddenly realize the reality of shooting at that moment doesn't live up to the fantasies they have been having for months.

I meant the shooter. The shooter was screaming for them to stop shooting. They didn't even respond all you hear is "Stop shooting at me" then "blat blat blat"....

 

[DaBull]

I meant the shooter. The shooter was screaming for them to stop shooting. They didn't even respond all you hear is "Stop shooting at me" then "blat blat blat"....

Oh, thanks for clarifying.

She would shoot, then yell I have a bomb, I just need some help. That's a pretty mixed message. I'm sure the cops would have much preferred for her to put down her weapons and "bomb" so they could call a social worker or mental health professional (before arresting her), but shooting an AR at you is one of those "your actions speak so loudly I can't hear what you are saying" moments.

 

[striker55]

I believe the church security did most of the shooting. I have respect for those guys. I've seen them handle trouble before, not to that extent.

 

[DaBull]

I believe the church security did most of the shooting. I have respect for those guys. I've seen them handle trouble before, not to that extent.

I was under the impression most were off duty cops hired by the church, but don't know for sure. They looked pretty decked out.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

How about that unarmed man following the cop around...

 

[crosseyedshooter]