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  • Younggun

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    I heard there is some new stuff catching on now. Dihydrogen monoxide.

    They are toting it as being this great thing that can cure all kinda of things from headaches to cramps. Completely ignoring the deadly risks it poses.
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    I have a feeling you would be a bit thirsty without it. :laughing::laughing:

    It's just the addiction making you feel that way.

    Thousands die every year from from dihydrogen monoxide relates incidents, yet we hear nothing about it putting a stop to it. It kills more than alcohol even.

    And why? MONEY! The government makes billions on dihydrogen monoxide sales every year. That's right, the government is selling this deadly compound to the people with no warnings, and even encouraging its use. They even have marketing campaigns that target CHILDREN! It's insane.

    But it doesn't get banned because the gov has found a way to make money off of it and use it as a method to control the people.

    And that doesn't include all the unknown substances often added without any labeling or warning whatsoever.
     

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    I watched an episode of Drugs Inc on NatGeo the other night about the problems in Portland OR caused by drug use. The story centered around two Heroin addicts who began their career as druggies with marijuana trying to get into a Drug Rehab program which was full to overflowing despite spending $51,000,000.00 annually.
    And I remember seeing a documentary on a drug non-treatment program also from, IIRC, Portland. Though they didn't phrase it this way, they simply "wrote off" a bunch of low-level pot smokers. They gave them free housing, food, medical care, cable TV, and just enough money to buy some pot and play video games. There was no attempt at treatment. The people in the program tended to just hang out at the apartment and not get into trouble since they had all they aspired to have and were achieving all they aspired to achieve.

    Bottom line: It was staggeringly cheaper to just let them leech off society minimally, directly, and openly than to EITHER prosecute and incarcerate them OR try and mostly fail to help them get off drugs.

    It was depressing but it was also a terribly rational solution.

    Politically, this approach proved untenable and the program was discontinued.
    • Anti-drug folks objected to paying people to smoke pot and be non-productive even though it cost more to investigate, prosecute, and incarcerate them for their crimes.
    • Compassionate liberals objected to allowing sick people to remain sick when they could be helped, even though the help was more costly and had a high failure rate.
    • The purely rational people are so rare that their views were, in the long run, completely discounted.
     

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    ...

    Bottom line: It was staggeringly cheaper to just let them leech off society minimally, directly, and openly than to EITHER prosecute and incarcerate them OR try and mostly fail to help them get off drugs.
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    It's not clear that it's cheaper than NEITHER prosecuting them NOR not rehabbing them.

    I advocate that we legalize it and do nothing at all from a government perspective.

    If they want help they can seek it from charities, or not. I'm simply suggesting we treat adults as adults. Trying to help someone who doesn't want help is rarely successful.
     

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    It's not clear that it's cheaper than NEITHER prosecuting them NOR not rehabbing them.

    I advocate that we legalize it and do nothing at all from a government perspective.
    That's a third alternative that has only recently become tenuously politically tenable. Such was not the case in the recent past. I doubt it will go fully mainstream (and by "fully mainstream", I mean legalization not decriminalization) for many, many years.

    Back when the study I referred to was done, it was off the table.
     

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    I heard there is some new stuff catching on now. Dihydrogen monoxide.

    They are toting it as being this great thing that can cure all kinda of things from headaches to cramps. Completely ignoring the deadly risks it poses.
    I have a chemistry degree. Dihydrogen monoxide would be written H2O popularly known as water, ice, steam, or water vapor. Dihydrogen monoxide it up TGTers

    edit- I just read the rest. Thanks guys, the sarcasm just got to me. Post retracted sorta.
     
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    Saltyag2010

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    It's not clear that it's cheaper than NEITHER prosecuting them NOR not rehabbing them.

    I advocate that we legalize it and do nothing at all from a government perspective.

    If they want help they can seek it from charities, or not. I'm simply suggesting we treat adults as adults. Trying to help someone who doesn't want help is rarely successful.
    I feel the same way. If the gov wants to be involved they should open up a store. Maybe add it to the post office - Dope office/post office and tax the shit out of it. They can sell Cheetos and icees too. Mmmmm. Mix the red one with the coca cola brotha. Peace.
     

    hellishhorses

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    I'm simply suggesting we treat adults as adults. Trying to help someone who doesn't want help is rarely successful.
    Yep. I would never tell a grown man when I think he's had too much to drink. He's a big boy, he'll figure it out for himself. It may take being thrown out of every bar in the city, losing his family, alienating his friends, etc. Eventually he'll hit bottom and have a choice to make.
     

    Ole Cowboy

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    Yep. I would never tell a grown man when I think he's had too much to drink. He's a big boy, he'll figure it out for himself. It may take being thrown out of every bar in the city, losing his family, alienating his friends, etc. Eventually he'll hit bottom and have a choice to make.
    That is not reality. Let a guy out the door be it a bar owner/barkeep or a homeowner who thru a party, and the drunk has a DUI wreck, they can and will come for you. At some point in time you have an individual obligation to not look the other way. The problem with many things is that the action taken impact others sometimes to a greater extent. You kill folks in a DUI wreck but you are not hurt is a good example.

    I stopped riding and sold my Harley when my wife told me I could kill someone else due to my riding. (health issue I have) I agreed and sold it, but not after spending 3 years looking for different opinions from doctors, but the answer was always the same.
     

    benenglish

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    I stopped riding and sold my Harley when my wife told me I could kill someone else due to my riding. (health issue I have) I agreed and sold it, but not after spending 3 years looking for different opinions from doctors, but the answer was always the same.
    A former boss of mine had an undiagnosed condition of some sort. He was locked in his office, on a conference call, when he became unresponsive. The people in other cities tried to call his cell and couldn't get an answer. They called other people in my office, no one had a key to his office, building maintenance didn't want to damage the door to get it open so we had to go way, way up the security org chart to find someone with a key. Once the internal security specialist and a Special Agent got in (about 40 minutes had passed) they found him essentially catatonic, just staring into space.

    It happened to him again at home. He went to see a doctor and he had tests scheduled but in the meantime, the idiot actually got behind the wheel and drove from Houston to Dallas and back for a meeting. On the way back, it apparently happened again. On Hwy 6, just a few miles from home, he just slid across the center line, bounced off one 18-wheeler, tumbled under another, and the body wound up ground up in so many pieces the coffin was closed at the service and a heck of a lot smaller than it would have been if he had been buried whole.

    Now, none of this breaks my heart. Him and his wife weren't exactly the type of people that anyone actually liked.

    But those truck drivers? They killed a guy they didn't know for no good reason. Not their fault but they still have to live with it.

    I believe that the doctor who didn't get his license pulled and his wife who continued to let him drive without giving him much static over it bear some responsibility.

    The question I see running through this thread is "In the real world, considering all the costs, just how much should we be our brother's keeper?"

    In practical terms, I think the answer is "some" rather than "none". I just don't know where to draw the line.
     

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    This thread reminds me of an old chemistry joke:


    A guy walks into a bar and asks for a glass of H2O.
    His buddy says, I'll have a glass of H2O too.....he dies.
     
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