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    Glenn B

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    If our government wanted to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracks, all it has to do is legalize what the cartels are selling. Once legalized, make people who are users responsible for themselves. If they turn into junkies do not give even one penny for rehab and discontinue welfare or other support immediately (mandatory drug tests for those on the dole). When they die in the streets due to overdoses, have the collection trucks scoop them up the next day and bring their remains to the processing plants for fertilizer or animal fodder (let our farmlands be fertilized with Pasteurized Soylent Green). The government should not be involved with such things as drug use or preventing drug use. If they want to be worthless bums, then do not elevate their worth by giving them anything. Sadly, it will never happen but it certainly would end the reign of the cartels just as the repeal of prohibition ended the reign of terror created by those who ran illegal booze. Yes, organized crime came back and flourished but how - mostly due to drugs, gambling, theft and protection and other rackets but they are not holding blazing gun battles in the streets every day (except maybe in Chicago) as they were virtually doing in the dirty thirties. Think of how the resources for Law Enforcement could be better spent fighting other crimes than fighting the war on drugs. Nancy Reagan was right with the "just say no" campaign. She was wrong though in who should say it. It is the government that should say it to those strung out on drugs when they come begging for rehab, or for free needles, or for welfare.
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    If our government wanted to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracks, all it has to do is legalize what the cartels are selling. Once legalized, make people who are users responsible for themselves. If they turn into junkies do not give even one penny for rehab and discontinue welfare or other support immediately (mandatory drug tests for those on the dole). When they die in the streets due to overdoses, have the collection trucks scoop them up the next day and bring their remains to the processing plants for fertilizer or animal fodder (let our farmlands be fertilized with Pasteurized Soylent Green). The government should not be involved with such things as drug use or preventing drug use. If they want to be worthless bums, then do not elevate their worth by giving them anything. Sadly, it will never happen but it certainly would end the reign of the cartels just as the repeal of prohibition ended the reign of terror created by those who ran illegal booze. Yes, organized crime came back and flourished but how - mostly due to drugs, gambling, theft and protection and other rackets but they are not holding blazing gun battles in the streets every day (except maybe in Chicago) as they were virtually doing in the dirty thirties. Think of how the resources for Law Enforcement could be better spent fighting other crimes than fighting the war on drugs. Nancy Reagan was right with the "just say no" campaign. She was wrong though in who should say it. It is the government that should say it to those strung out on drugs when they come begging for rehab, or for free needles, or for welfare.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-mormon-children-killed-mexico-081330305.html

    If you mean those Morman women and children who were butchered in Mexico, then I agree. I also know that no matter what gun control laws are passed I will never obey them. This alone, by itself, is one more reason we will NOT obey!

    These cartel members need to be brought to justice, be that a jury trial with a hanging afterwards, or killed where they stand. What a bunch of cowards, killing women and children! Come up north and see what we have waiting for you, Pendejos!!
     

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    You need a course in basic comprehensive reading. I am talking about perceived threats, whether one was a citizen and the other an illegal alien is irrelevant.
    It is relevant, very much so.

    Citizens get the full protection of the 4th and 5th amendments regardless of were they are from. No citizen should be arrested without probable cause for "precaution" any more than your guns seized "for precaution".

    Non citizens, during a time of war.. well war is war and a citizen who presumably has allegiance to a enemy power, are a different matter. But a US citizen is a US citizen regardless of where they may have been born or who they were born to.

    You cant pick and choose the right you like and the times you like them...

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    If our government wanted to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracks, all it has to do is legalize what the cartels are selling. Once legalized, make people who are users responsible for themselves. If they turn into junkies do not give even one penny for rehab and discontinue welfare or other support immediately (mandatory drug tests for those on the dole). When they die in the streets due to overdoses, have the collection trucks scoop them up the next day and bring their remains to the processing plants for fertilizer or animal fodder (let our farmlands be fertilized with Pasteurized Soylent Green). The government should not be involved with such things as drug use or preventing drug use. If they want to be worthless bums, then do not elevate their worth by giving them anything. Sadly, it will never happen but it certainly would end the reign of the cartels just as the repeal of prohibition ended the reign of terror created by those who ran illegal booze. Yes, organized crime came back and flourished but how - mostly due to drugs, gambling, theft and protection and other rackets but they are not holding blazing gun battles in the streets every day (except maybe in Chicago) as they were virtually doing in the dirty thirties. Think of how the resources for Law Enforcement could be better spent fighting other crimes than fighting the war on drugs. Nancy Reagan was right with the "just say no" campaign. She was wrong though in who should say it. It is the government that should say it to those strung out on drugs when they come begging for rehab, or for free needles, or for welfare.
    The problem is long before they OD or wear their body out and die, drug addict steal, kill and destroy to get money to buy the drugs they want... yes they don it now, but the numbers getting addicted would climb...

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    It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Obrador needs to do "something" to project strength now, or he'll be defending his position against both the cartels and the US instead of just taking bribes as is apparently the norm in that region.
    Have to disagree with you there. They were Japanese Americans put in those camps. Not sure I see a fair comparison here. And I am one of those of "Jap" descent.
     

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    If our government wanted to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracks, all it has to do is legalize what the cartels are selling. Once legalized, make people who are users responsible for themselves. If they turn into junkies do not give even one penny for rehab and discontinue welfare or other support immediately (mandatory drug tests for those on the dole). When they die in the streets due to overdoses, have the collection trucks scoop them up the next day and bring their remains to the processing plants for fertilizer or animal fodder (let our farmlands be fertilized with Pasteurized Soylent Green). The government should not be involved with such things as drug use or preventing drug use. If they want to be worthless bums, then do not elevate their worth by giving them anything. Sadly, it will never happen but it certainly would end the reign of the cartels just as the repeal of prohibition ended the reign of terror created by those who ran illegal booze. Yes, organized crime came back and flourished but how - mostly due to drugs, gambling, theft and protection and other rackets but they are not holding blazing gun battles in the streets every day (except maybe in Chicago) as they were virtually doing in the dirty thirties. Think of how the resources for Law Enforcement could be better spent fighting other crimes than fighting the war on drugs. Nancy Reagan was right with the "just say no" campaign. She was wrong though in who should say it. It is the government that should say it to those strung out on drugs when they come begging for rehab, or for free needles, or for welfare.
    Regarding “all it has to do is legalize...”, the cartel will not give up and become convenience store workers or flip burgers or something. They will move on to the next illegal market. We can’t make human trafficking legal, for example.
     

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    Regarding “all it has to do is legalize...”, the cartel will not give up and become convenience store workers or flip burgers or something. They will move on to the next illegal market. We can’t make human trafficking legal, for example.

    And just like the mob when prohibition ended, would be a shadow of their former selves with alot less financial resources.
     

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    The problem is long before they OD or wear their body out and die, drug addict steal, kill and destroy to get money to buy the drugs they want... yes they don it now, but the numbers getting addicted would climb...

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    The data in states where pot at least has been legalized do not support this theory. I dont think it would be any worse than what alcoholics are capable of now.
     

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    Regarding “all it has to do is legalize...”, the cartel will not give up and become convenience store workers or flip burgers or something. They will move on to the next illegal market. We can’t make human trafficking legal, for example.

    And that's exactly what they've already done. The cartel has moved into the avocado fields in Mexico and taken over that trade in several areas.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mex...ng-for-control-of-the-avocado-business-2019-9
     

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    And just like the mob when prohibition ended, would be a shadow of their former selves with alot less financial resources.
    Yeah, I’m not saying it wouldn’t have an effect. I’m arguing against the words “ALL it would have to do is...”.

    It’s not that simple.
     

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    You are talking about paranoia that wound up imprisoning innocent American citizens without due process and that also resulted in them being stripped of their legally owned property. Think of the Constitution and what the word constitution means as in the make-up or the base of our laws and way of life. Think of a perceived threat when a real threat was not there (heck probable cause was not even there for the most part) and what did you have - paranoia resulting in the detainment of multitudes of innocents. You think that was right - then tell me was Hitler right to detain millions of Jews? After all, they were perceived as a threat to Germany just as virtually all American citizens of Japanese ancestry were perceived as a threat to the US of A in WWII. Yet somehow you say it was justified, even though there was no probable cause or hard evidence of wrong doing, to force those of Japanese ancestry into those camps. That is an astonishing and, in my opinion, quite a faulty bit of reasoning.


    Not paranoia at all, any more than other measures taken in time of war.
    Hitler was doing ethnic cleansing and committing genocide. Don't use that as a facsimile of the Japanese situation.

    We can look back 75 years later from the comfort of our computer desks and exercise the new political correctness now but at the time America was fighting for survival against an enemy that at times, threatened to literally invade our homeland.
     

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    Yeah, I’m not saying it wouldn’t have an effect. I’m arguing against the words “ALL it would have to do is...”.

    It’s not that simple.

    Yes other measures in combination. A wall, travel ban, sanctions etc. We can squeeze the Mexican government into action.
     

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    If our government wanted to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracks, all it has to do is legalize what the cartels are selling. Once legalized, make people who are users responsible for themselves. If they turn into junkies do not give even one penny for rehab and discontinue welfare or other support immediately (mandatory drug tests for those on the dole). When they die in the streets due to overdoses, have the collection trucks scoop them up the next day and bring their remains to the processing plants for fertilizer or animal fodder (let our farmlands be fertilized with Pasteurized Soylent Green). The government should not be involved with such things as drug use or preventing drug use. If they want to be worthless bums, then do not elevate their worth by giving them anything. Sadly, it will never happen but it certainly would end the reign of the cartels just as the repeal of prohibition ended the reign of terror created by those who ran illegal booze. Yes, organized crime came back and flourished but how - mostly due to drugs, gambling, theft and protection and other rackets but they are not holding blazing gun battles in the streets every day (except maybe in Chicago) as they were virtually doing in the dirty thirties. Think of how the resources for Law Enforcement could be better spent fighting other crimes than fighting the war on drugs. Nancy Reagan was right with the "just say no" campaign. She was wrong though in who should say it. It is the government that should say it to those strung out on drugs when they come begging for rehab, or for free needles, or for welfare.
    Nope, that would not stop the cartels. They would still control production and sale. They would not just retire.
    The mob flourished after prohibition and prior to drugs. Studying history shows this. Gun battles don't occur because the US does not tolerate them. And the gun battles of the 30's are exaggerated by Hollywood.
     

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    Not paranoia at all, any more than other measures taken in time of war.
    Hitler was doing ethnic cleansing and committing genocide. Don't use that as a facsimile of the Japanese situation.

    We can look back 75 years later from the comfort of our computer desks and exercise the new political correctness now but at the time America was fighting for survival against an enemy that at times, threatened to literally invade our homeland.
    Well said. Hindsight is 20-20.
     

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    Cartel money corrupted the already corrupt Mexican cops. Anyone whoever ventured across the border to Boy's Town as a college kid in the 70's learned quick that Mexican cops were the biggest bandits and you better keep some bribe money.
    That kind of corruption has now spread across the border to the always corrupt Democrats who see politics as a get rich scheme. If you don't think the Clinton's 'pay to play' racket didn't include the cartels, I have a bridge to sell you. My point is, if your plan is to wipe out the cartels, the corrupt Mexican government and police, you better plan on doing some major house cleaning on this side of the Rio Grande, starting with Pelosi and her 'open border' minions.
     
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    If our government wanted to stop the drug cartels dead in their tracks, all it has to do is legalize what the cartels are selling. Once legalized, make people who are users responsible for themselves. If they turn into junkies do not give even one penny for rehab and discontinue welfare or other support immediately (mandatory drug tests for those on the dole). When they die in the streets due to overdoses, have the collection trucks scoop them up the next day and bring their remains to the processing plants for fertilizer or animal fodder (let our farmlands be fertilized with Pasteurized Soylent Green). The government should not be involved with such things as drug use or preventing drug use. If they want to be worthless bums, then do not elevate their worth by giving them anything. Sadly, it will never happen but it certainly would end the reign of the cartels just as the repeal of prohibition ended the reign of terror created by those who ran illegal booze. Yes, organized crime came back and flourished but how - mostly due to drugs, gambling, theft and protection and other rackets but they are not holding blazing gun battles in the streets every day (except maybe in Chicago) as they were virtually doing in the dirty thirties. Think of how the resources for Law Enforcement could be better spent fighting other crimes than fighting the war on drugs. Nancy Reagan was right with the "just say no" campaign. She was wrong though in who should say it. It is the government that should say it to those strung out on drugs when they come begging for rehab, or for free needles, or for welfare.
    Will not happen...why?

    They need a supply and if you legalize you can expect the druggies to multiply into the millions. No matter 1 o millions they need a supply, simple as that and the cartels will only grow,

    As for Pot, look what legalization has done for the states pot business, it begins to struggle, Pot companies are not making money...WHY?

    Legalization let anyone almost grow, so what has occurred is an underground market of pot growers, making a few bucks on the side legally.

    Here in Texas, there is a strong black market for booze, both legal booze and illegal booze (moonshine). There are people who do $8-$10k per month in illegal sales of legal booze. They buy large quantities of ½ & 1 pints typically case so they get a case discount and you can tell the size of their business by how many cases they buy. A small business will do about 20 cases of half and 1 pints, 10 cases each on Sunday and week day nights after 9 pm. Sell is about 2x the cost per bottle.

    Illegal drugs and booze sales after hrs has a strong demand curve. Show me a demand curve and somebody will meet it! AKA Economics 101 and reality!

    Legalization or restriction (no sales on Sundy) only brings an increased demand curve and the creation of black markets!!!
     
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