New sign?

[Renegade]

If I am wrong, I am wrong but put your money where your mouth is and point out exactly what part do you think I am wrong about?

You are wrong that there is law behind the sign the OP posted, as you claimed in Post #21:

It is a legal sign... but it is not prohibitimg you from licensed carry of a handgun. Only notice that as a TABC licensed premise, unlicensed carry of certain weapons is a felony.

and Post #24:

The TABC most certainly has laws behind it. TABC is a completely different beast from 30.06/07... I'll dig them up later or you can...

 

[rotor]

Please just post something of value that would show that the sign the op posted is a valid legal sign. You must realize by now that it is not a TABC sign so stop trying to win an argument with TABC regs.

 

[Renegade]

My point wasn't the sign was the right sign or correct. My point was just because it is the incorrect sign there are still laws prohibiting some weapons which could get you a felony...

Jeez, backtracking already? This must be a world record. Dont fall down and hurt yourself.

You clearly said "It is a legal sign" and "The TABC most certainly has laws behind it."

 

[cycleguy2300]

Stop talking about it and just do it.

Well for one...

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, location-restricted knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):...

...on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code; (2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sport

Please notice:
Firearm (includes rifles)
Location restricted knife (>5.5")
Club
Prohibited weapons (duh)

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[jordanmills]

TABC doesn't, but Texas legislature puts laws in the ABC

https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/index.asp

I know my stuff, I do this for a living...

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Well... that is just about exactly what I tell people when they say "Well TABC runs it so they can decide what the laws are!"

 

[Renegade]

Well for one...

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, location-restricted knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):...

...on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code; (2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sport

Please notice:
Firearm (includes rifles)
Location restricted knife (>5.5")
Club
Prohibited weapons (duh)

Nope.

The sign was in front of Target, and Target does not sell alcohol for on-premises consumption, so that entire section is irrelevant.

Are you sure you are not the keyboard lawyer? You do not seem to know the difference between Penal Code and TABC Code. Or the difference between on-premises and off-premises.

 

[jordanmills]

Well for one...

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, location-restricted knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):...

...on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code; (2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sport

Please notice:
Firearm (includes rifles)
Location restricted knife (>5.5")
Club
Prohibited weapons (duh)

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Yeah but most of the TABC signs don't seem to have laws backing them. Or if they do, I haven't been able to find them. It seems that TABC just makes signs that say it's a law and fines/delicenses permittees who don't enforce them.

 

[rotor]

Well for one...

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, location-restricted knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):...

...on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code; (2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sport

Please notice:
Firearm (includes rifles)
Location restricted knife (>5.5")
Club
Prohibited weapons (duh)

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Are we living in a separate universe? The ops sign was not a TABC sign but thank you for posting TABC info, like we all don't know that already.

 

[Renegade]

Yeah but most of the TABC signs don't seem to have laws backing them. Or if they do, I haven't been able to find them. It seems that TABC just makes signs that say it's a law and fines/delicenses permittees who don't enforce them.

What he posted is the basis for the RED 51% sign, which is irrelevant in this discussion.

For a guy who does this for a living, he is yet to get anything correct.

 

[jordanmills]

What he posted is the basis for the RED 51% sign, which is irrelevant in this discussion.

Yeah I was trying to direct toward the signs related to the topic.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Are we living in a separate universe? The ops sign was not a TABC sign but thank you for posting TABC info, like we all don't know that already.

Yeah, I went off on a tangent... but my point was just because that sign isnt the prescribed sign doesn't mean there aren't plenty of laws that could apply depending on where you see one...

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[Renegade]

Yeah, I went off on a tangent... but my point was just because that sign isnt the prescribed sign doesn't mean there aren't plenty of laws that could apply depending on where you see one...

Another phony lawyer bites the dust and goes down in flames.

 

[Bithabus]

You *can* pick up a felony if you bring a handgun onto the property/premise (TAB Code defines premise as the ENTIRE property) of a red signed premise...a LTC doesn't exempt you from TAB Code or their definitions of a premise.

I was just pointing out a small detail of the law that I am familiar with...

My point was that just because the sign was novel in its language, there are still laws behind it making the possession of some weapons a felony...

Nobody was talking about a 51% business.

 

[Bithabus]

Clever, going for the personal attack...

If I am wrong, I am wrong but put your money where your mouth is and point out exactly what part do you think I am wrong about?

I will happily post the statues or case law showing I am correct.

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You are wrong that location restricted knives cannot be carried into liquor stores. Specifically, this statement you made is wrong: ""More or less you are right, but don't forget about "location restricted knives" if they sell beer wine or liquor, you can't have those either""

This statement is also wrong: "The TABC most certainly has laws behind it. TABC is a completely different beast from 30.06/07... I'll dig them up later or you can..."

TABC regulations don't criminalize any customer behavior. The laws prohibiting carry inside bars are found in the PC. TABC regs create administrative rules which license holders must follow at the risk of civil penalties.

Didn't you learn all this in law school?

 

[Bithabus]

Well for one...

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, location-restricted knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):...

...on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code; (2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sport

Please notice:
Firearm (includes rifles)
Location restricted knife (>5.5")
Club
Prohibited weapons (duh)

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LOL

Wrong again!

Go read PC 46.03. Firearms, per se, are not banned from carry into bars.

 

[jordanmills]

This statement is also wrong: "The TABC most certainly has laws behind it. TABC is a completely different beast from 30.06/07... I'll dig them up later or you can..."

I took that and the other stuff to say that the legislature passes laws that empower TABC to take certain enforcement actions against entities subject to their permitting and licensing.

 

[Bithabus]

I took that and the other stuff to say that the legislature passes laws that empower TABC to take certain enforcement actions against entities subject to their permitting and licensing.

I don't think that's what he meant. This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

 

[rotor]

Yeah, I went off on a tangent... but my point was just because that sign isnt the prescribed sign doesn't mean there aren't plenty of laws that could apply depending on where you see one...

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This is not your fault really as the sign laws are so confusing that these type of disagreements come up all of the time. To go off topic look at this sign at my local hospital. They took down 30.06/07 and put this up. What the hell does that mean?

 

[BRD@66]

Dang it! I got here too late to post the popcorn emoji.

 

[jordanmills]

This is not your fault really as the sign laws are so confusing that these type of disagreements come up all of the time. To go off topic look at this sign at my local hospital. They took down 30.06/07 and put this up. What the hell does that mean?

Means that it must be my kind of hospital!