One Year of Open Carry...

[majormadmax]

All I can say is that it gives me peace of mind carrying open or concealed. I'd rather have that then wondering if something could happen and I'm not carrying.

Welcome to my dilemma. Working on a military installation that prohibits personally-owned firearms by policy (no, it's not Federal law to have guns on base), I avoid making any stops on my way to or from work as I am unable to keep a firearm in my vehicle. I am hoping Trump and/or Mattis ensures commanders cannot inhibit the 2A rights of individuals...

 

[dtownmj]

i live in a large city and i have yet to see anyone oc! when i went to SA and austin a few times i didnt see anyone either

 

[dtownmj]

Welcome to my dilemma. Working on a military installation that prohibits personally-owned firearms by policy (no, it's not Federal law to have guns on base), I avoid making any stops on my way to or from work as I am unable to keep a firearm in my vehicle. I am hoping Trump and/or Mattis ensures commanders cannot inhibit the 2A rights of individuals...

i also run into this issue...i think its ridiculous that some employers prevent their employees from even leaving their firearms in the car

 

[40Arpent]

Why is that so tough for you to comprehend? I didn't tell anyone they HAD to, just that they SHOULD. It's a matter of demonstrating responsible execution of a right.

But given your location, I can understand your hesitation...

My location has absolutely nothing to do with it. And to answer your question, it's difficult for me to understand someone, like you, telling me I should do something that I'm not comfortable doing.

And to respond to your "a right not exercised is a right lost," tell me how many states that have had OC for decades, where basically nobody OC's, have had OC repealed?

And for the record, I am all for having the right to OC, and have nothing against anyone OCing.

 

[Nightwatch]

Welcome to my dilemma. Working on a military installation that prohibits personally-owned firearms by policy (no, it's not Federal law to have guns on base), I avoid making any stops on my way to or from work as I am unable to keep a firearm in my vehicle. I am hoping Trump and/or Mattis ensures commanders cannot inhibit the 2A rights of individuals...

My boys after returning from Iraq and finishing their hitches both worked on a base-and weren't allowed to have a gun in their car or use their CHL, either. One's wife had to drag the kids out at night to pick him up from work-no gun in car. What a low and dirty trick that our boys can use guns to protect US, but not to protect themselves. I very much hope that the new Commander-in Chief changes that silliness posthaste. I'd trust any soldier or vet with a gun before most of those making decisions in Washington.

DOD is making baby steps: http://www.military.com/daily-news/...plan-allow-personnel-carry-firearms-base.html

 

[majormadmax]

My location has absolutely nothing to do with it. And to answer your question, it's difficult for me to understand someone, like you, telling me I should do something that I'm not comfortable doing.

And to respond to your "a right not exercised is a right lost," tell me how many states that have had OC for decades, where basically nobody OC's, have had OC repealed?

And for the record, I am all for having the right to OC, and have nothing against anyone OCing.

Then there is nothing to "SMH" about...

And if rights were never lost, then why couldn't we OC in the first place?

 

[majormadmax]

My boys after returning from Iraq and finishing their hitches both worked on a base-and weren't allowed to have a gun in their car or use their CHL, either. One's wife had to drag the kids out at night to pick him up from work-no gun in car. What a low and dirty trick that our boys can use guns to protect US, but not to protect themselves. I very much hope that the new Commander-in Chief changes that silliness posthaste. I'd trust any soldier or vet with a gun before most of those making decisions in Washington.

DOD is making baby steps: http://www.military.com/daily-news/...plan-allow-personnel-carry-firearms-base.html

That "plan" is idiotic. It is way too narrow (requires commander's permission, only good for 90 days at a time, etc.) and there is really no reason for it as there is no Federal law that prohibits carrying personally-owned firearms on military installations (only Federal facilities under 18 U.S. Code §930, which a commander cannot overrule so I am not even sure of the legality of this new "plan!").

No, the idiocy is career-first commanders who are more concerned about protecting their next promotion than the safety of their personnel. Several bases, such as Hurlburt Field have implemented programs allowed individuals with licenses to bring weapons on base as long as the firearm remains in their vehicle and are concealed.

Preferably the Federal government revokes USC 18 §930 and the DoD removes any policy prohibiting individuals from carrying on base at all (per the Second Amendment), but the "baby steps" they believe they are taking are not even a crawl...

 

[seeker_two]

i also run into this issue...i think its ridiculous that some employers prevent their employees from even leaving their firearms in the car

Agreed. Unless it's a company-owned car, the employer should have no say in what you keep in it.

 

[Nightwatch]

Well, the all-or-nothing approach hasn't worked yet---we've made step after step to effect change for the better, and that's the way the military will probably do it, too. They need to get uniformity, as you said, where one base commander's not permitting it, and one denying it...but we've won against that in the civilian world, too-one step at a time. I'm for progress.

"...Written permission will be valid for 90 days or as long as the DoD Component deems appropriate..." means that it could be longer-or shorter.

As far as jumping up and revoking USC 18 930---"the check is in the mail."

 

[Nightwatch]

Agreed. Unless it's a company-owned car, the employer should have no say in what you keep in it.

You fellas are aware of TX Labor Code 52.061, aren't you? Doesn't solve it for everyone, but it does for a lot of folks.

 

[40Arpent]

Then there is nothing to "SMH" about...

And if rights were never lost, then why couldn't we OC in the first place?

You telling me that I SHOULD open carry is plenty reason to SMH, as is your answering my question with a question.

 

[BRD@66]

Unsubscribed . . . .

and then later:

This ^^^^^

Ha! I'll bet you'd continue to watch a train wreck after saying you wouldn't.

 

[karlac]

$100 says I can get a positive shot on target from a CC handgun faster than you can with your OC handgun.

I wouldn't take that bet.
And one of the reasons I pocket carry almost exclusively.
My hand can (nonchalantly) be in that pocket, holding the concealed handgun, and anyone observing is none the wiser.

 

[Hoji]

I wouldn't take that bet.
And one of the reasons I pocket carry almost exclusively.
My hand can (nonchalantly) be in that pocket, holding the concealed handgun, and anyone observing is none the wiser.

Wise man.

Wish you would have waited until I was able to separate a fool or two and their money before posting though.

 

[satx78247]

To All,

In the Bexar & Travis County metropolitan/suburban/rural areas, I've seen FIVE people OC anywhere but on their own land, since Midnight on 02JAN16, other than uniformed police/security officers.
(I carried my antique .38 Colt's revolver openly at The Alamo Shrine on New Years Day 2016, just for GP but NOT since, off of our property. = I was asked what sort of a revolver that I was carrying by one of the Alamo Rangers & by a DPS agent but nothing more than that.)

I wonder if the members of the MORON LEFT, who whined, howled & whimpered about "blood in the streets", feel STUPID & CLUELESS now after a year of lawful open carry.
(Fwiw, I carry my handgun concealed every day, except when I go onto Fort Sam Houston.)

yours, satx

 

[easy rider]

I wonder if the members of the MORON LEFT, who whined, howled & whimpered about "blood in the streets", feel STUPID & CLUELESS now after a year of lawful open carry.

Are you sure you could find their safe place to ask them?

 

[satx78247]

easy rider,

I wouldn't suppose it is necessary for me to find their "safe place" for them to personally FEEL stupid/clueless.

yours, satx

 

[Wildcat Diva]

I really doubt that feeling clueless fits in with the smart ass, know it all demeanor, so there has got to be a different way to spin it or ignore it or amp up an anecdotal example they might dig up.

 

[satx78247]

Wildcat Diva,

You just may be 100% correct. = The MORON LEFT are not called "DIMocRATS", absent good & sufficient reason.

yours, satx

 

[scap99]

Look at it from the criminals perspective. Say you want to rob a liquor store. Easy enough. You walk in. The clerk looks tired, there is one guy stocking and one other guy buying a 12 pack of beer. Once he leaves you pull your gun.

Play it again with open carry. The clerk looks tired but has a gun. The stock boy might have a gun also. You scope him out and sure enough. There is a guy buying beer also with a gun.

You see, this easy job just got prohibitively dangerous. Even a dumb criminal shuns danger and open carry by multiple people is a gross display of danger.

There's a reason black jack dealers don't show their cards.
Same applies to carrying firearms. Don't tilt the odds against yourself.

For one, you can draw an OC'd weapon a lot quicker than you can one that's CC'd.

Secondly, as Mikewood pointed out, it's a deterrent for criminals; and don't spout the BS that it makes people a target as there has never been any proof to that claim. If anything, studies have shown that criminals don't like armed potential victims.

Lastly, as I stated, it's a right that needs to be exercised to demonstrate responsible gun ownership.

1st point...I've done this drill on the range with shot timers. I best the OC guy more often than not from a "hands up" position.

2nd point...see casino reference above. I am not going to announce myself and give up any advantages I may have.

3rd point...who are you demonstrating for? Is OC going to go away if nobody does it? Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things?

$100 says I can get a positive shot on target from a CC handgun faster than you can with your OC handgun.

^^^^this.