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  • GM.Chief

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    We (my wife and I) are very understanding of the fact that everyone is human and that everyone has a bad day sometimes. We all do the best to leave our "problems" at home, but it's not always possible. However, the purchase of a first firearm for a family with children is a big deal. Nobody appreciates being treated like crap. I don't blame a store employee for being overwhelmed with the way things are, and I'm sure they get crap from customers as well. But if you have people who are genuinely interested and who are trying to polite, treat them well. It's how you're going to expand your customer base. You can liken it to a doctor with bad people skills. If he doesn't like dealing with people, he should have gotten into a different field, like medical science. If you are a gun "elitest" who doesn't like to help newbies, find another proffession where you can hang out with other people like you, because I imagine that in a gun store you're going to be dealing with newbies on a fairly regular basis (even before this current situation). I'll admit there's alot I don't know as I am fairly new to the gun community. But when I ask you a question, please don't respond to me like I must be a moron because "everyone knows". Everyone doesn't know. And your words may say one thing, but don't forget that many of us can also read your face and body language (i/e rolled eyes, impatient motions). I would much rather give my money to a store than an internet site because I want to build a friendship and support the people in my local community. But if I feel like you don't need/want/etc. me as a customer, I'll go somewhere else.
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    Sneakyabn

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    I am not disagreeing with you what so ever. Like I said, I think those types of individuals do alot more damage to our buisness than they do good. I and others that I know and work with try and treat everyone the same whether they are a first time gun buyer/information gatherer or have been shooting for 60 years( I get both almost everyday). And by the way the way thank you for wanting to support your local shop, I hope you find one that will help you out and you can grow that relationship that you want.
     

    jfrey

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    Sneakyabn and GM Chief both make good arguments for both sides of the coin. I was in a local store recently and observed a fellow making a complete idiot of himself in front of everyone, including the 3 other guys who appeared to be with him. He was talking very loudly, so everyone at he counter could hear and it was all I could do to not break out in complete laughter. My son who was with me was about to bust. A 1911 has a grip safety - not a palm safety, and he said it 6 times. He was also looking for a gun with a "BIG" safety. The funny thing about it, he was admiring a Glock at the time. If I owned my own shop, I would not sell to this guy. He obviously didn't know anything about real guns. There is a local shop owner who I have observed several times refuse to sell to certain people he didn't deem to be reputable and honest. If you honestly don't know and ask for help, he is also one of the most helpful guys I have seem. Like most of us, he can tell when you open your mouth if you know guns or not.

    There is a lot of stuff going on on both sides of the fence these days and a little understanding both ways will, I'm sure, be appreciated.
     

    Seabear1500

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    SeaBear, the next time you are this way, stop in at Don's Firearms in Victoria. He is north of Hwy.59 on Hwy 87, in town. I have dealt with Don and his crew a lot and his prices are pretty wel in line with most other places. He has the biggest selection in this area. My wife gets better deals from him than I do. He always has hot coffee in the pot for customers too.


    Thanks, I love checking shops out along the way anywhere I go.
     

    brickboy240

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    You guys still buy from Houston area gun stores?

    Why?

    I usually find them fun to look around but rarely do I buy from them. I can usually beat their prices by quite a bit, buying online and paying shipping and transfer fees. I understand that its good to support local businesses, but in this economy, with the price of EVERYTHING going way up...if I am going to keep this hobby going, I have to keep it affordable. The recent uptick on ammo prices also led me to looking online for gun purchases. Its either I do this....or give it up completely.

    I will buy a nice used gun from a local store, if they price it right. But as of lately, the stores have gotten insane on their pricing. The larger stores like Gander Mtn, Bass Pro and Carters are really crazy....I don't even go in those places for guns...sorry. If you ask me, those stores are for lazy, impulsive, inexpereinced gun buyers or those that are very wealthy.

    Some of the other stores, like Fountain and Pruetts have somewhat more sane prices but as of lately...I have not been able to buy anything from these guys either. I understand they have bills to pay but so do gun buyers! This is a hobby....not groceries or a total nevessity and most guns are bought with "disposable income" and they need to understand that we also have bills to pay and if things get too jacked up...we'll dump this hobby entirely.

    Example: I found a DPMS AR-15 online for about 850 dollars. Why is this same AR-15 in several local stores for 1200 dollars or more? I can understand 100 dollar or so markup but I have seen 1200-1600 dollars for this and other bottom tier AR-15s. That is crazy. Especially since 223 is not exactly cheap to shoot anymore.

    These same gun retailers that are inflating their prices because of panic are the SAME people that complained about 4 buck a gallon gasoline last summer and said this was gouging. Hello! I guess gouging is ok if YOU are the ones doing the gouging...huh?

    I may complain about the high prices and I realize that this is the free market, but...I also excercise MY end of the free market and refuse to pay the high prices. If gun buyers would do the same...the 1200 dollar basic AR and lack of 9mm ammo situations would go away, but that is not happening.

    To the gun store owners: enjoy your heydays, because it won't last forever. Some of us lowlife gunbuyers will remember who inflated prices and who was reasonable when this all ends and those will be the stores I patronize. With the internet...I don't need Houston gunstores...but they do need us! Remember that!

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    Okierifleman

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    As much as I hate to say it because I have run into the same thing at these gun stores, Sneakyabn is right. And, if you have spent any time in a gun store or a shooting range lately, you know he is right too. I have never in my life seen so many stupid people with so many stupid questions in my life. Yes, it is a place of business, and, yes, the sales people are there to help, but from what I have seen, these poor salespeople and shooting range employees cant get to you and I because they are inundated with these tire kickers. Its not the same market that it used to be. There are no coffee pots and chairs anymore and not much personal sales to customer relations. Yes, there are some generally unfriendly people working in these places, but how many of you people commenting could honestly say, if you had to deal with these tire kickers that you would always have a smile on your face when a "real" customer came in. As far as the price gouging goes, if you are dumb enough to pay $500 too much for an AR, that is your problem. Do your homework.
     

    txjustin

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    You guys still buy from Houston area gun stores?

    Why?

    I usually find them fun to look around but rarely do I buy from them. I can usually beat their prices by quite a bit, buying online and paying shipping and transfer fees. I understand that its good to support local businesses, but in this economy, with the price of EVERYTHING going way up...if I am going to keep this hobby going, I have to keep it affordable. The recent uptick on ammo prices also led me to looking online for gun purchases. Its either I do this....or give it up completely.

    I will buy a nice used gun from a local store, if they price it right. But as of lately, the stores have gotten insane on their pricing. The larger stores like Gander Mtn, Bass Pro and Carters are really crazy....I don't even go in those places for guns...sorry. If you ask me, those stores are for lazy, impulsive, inexpereinced gun buyers or those that are very wealthy.

    Some of the other stores, like Fountain and Pruetts have somewhat more sane prices but as of lately...I have not been able to buy anything from these guys either. I understand they have bills to pay but so do gun buyers! This is a hobby....not groceries or a total nevessity and most guns are bought with "disposable income" and they need to understand that we also have bills to pay and if things get too jacked up...we'll dump this hobby entirely.

    Example: I found a DPMS AR-15 online for about 850 dollars. Why is this same AR-15 in several local stores for 1200 dollars or more? I can understand 100 dollar or so markup but I have seen 1200-1600 dollars for this and other bottom tier AR-15s. That is crazy. Especially since 223 is not exactly cheap to shoot anymore.

    These same gun retailers that are inflating their prices because of panic are the SAME people that complained about 4 buck a gallon gasoline last summer and said this was gouging. Hello! I guess gouging is ok if YOU are the ones doing the gouging...huh?

    I may complain about the high prices and I realize that this is the free market, but...I also excercise MY end of the free market and refuse to pay the high prices. If gun buyers would do the same...the 1200 dollar basic AR and lack of 9mm ammo situations would go away, but that is not happening.

    To the gun store owners: enjoy your heydays, because it won't last forever. Some of us lowlife gunbuyers will remember who inflated prices and who was reasonable when this all ends and those will be the stores I patronize. With the internet...I don't need Houston gunstores...but they do need us! Remember that!

    - brickboy240

    I went into Fountain the other day and they are just as high as any other place I have been too.
     

    WB5MHA

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    Was at Jim Pruitt's Guns and Ammo today off 290 on Huffmeister. His prices are reasonable when you see what ARs are going for. Also, he has them in stock. I came this close (thumb and first finger almost together) to taking a CZ 527 7.62x39 off his hands. It was the the price, more or less, seen on Gunbroker.

    Editorial: Would you take twice what your car or truck was worth if you could get it? Would you take the high road and not accept anything more than the buyer thought it was worth?
     

    CharlieBear

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    Supply and Demand

    I can overcome and put aside bad customer service as long as the guys is knowledgeable in his weapons...but isn't this an issue of supply and demand?

    Are the costs of purchasing and stocking a weapon on inventory higher?

    Aren't certain guns hard to find? Parts backordered?

    I am a cost sensitive shopper and if I can find something online cheaper, I am all for it, but it is getting hard to compare apples to apples buying online vs. buying overthecounter, too many differences in todays business environment.

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    smschulz

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    To the gun store owners: enjoy your heydays, because it won't last forever. Some of us lowlife gun buyers will remember who inflated prices and who was reasonable when this all ends and those will be the stores I patronize. With the internet...I don't need Houston gunstores...but they do need us! Remember that!

    - brickboy240

    So true but goes around comes around.

    I don't fault any dealer making a fair mark up and I don't condone anyone 'working' a dealer for knowledge, getting demonstrations, assessing the customers needs, handling problems/returns/warranty ~ just to have the customer go buy it on line. That's wrong IMO. I used to have that happen to me when I was in the electronics retail business in the 70/80's ~ a good salesman can sniff this out and cut his losses. He can also keep on trying to "sell" his difference too.

    On the other hand when price differences are so great then you have to rethink the situation. For example: I have seen the FNAR on some forums from rep dealers anywhere from $1099 (light)/ $1229 ~$1339 (heavy). Collectors ~ $1995 ~ Fountain $1699. It has to make sense. I never push the dealer or bring up an Internet price. A Brick and Mortar Store is worth more but they need to earn it ~ not just have something in stock or on hand. Bad service, bad treatment and a bad attitude is not a way to get me to spend MORE.

    I am set that I have to have the lowest price but if I pay more there needs to be a reason ~ some reason.

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    Bily Lovec

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    smschultz,
    where have you seen an FNAR for light $1099 ?
    Im looking for one of those :D


    I need someone to explain to me why Carters obviously got in a semi-truck load of PMC 223 and are charging $650 per K for something I paid $362 shipped to my door for last month ?
    If they would charge $450 per, they would sell out and still make $$
     

    smschulz

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    smschultz,
    where have you seen an FNAR for light $1099 ?
    Im looking for one of those :D

    I need someone to explain to me why Carters obviously got in a semi-truck load of PMC 223 and are charging $650 per K for something I paid $362 shipped to my door for last month ?
    If they would charge $450 per, they would sell out and still make $$


    Gordon Miller from [URL="http://www.hkspecialist.net/"][URL]http://www.hkspecialist.net/[/URL][/URL] advertised it on HKProForum (and Sturm) last month.

    I would have bought one but I wanted the Heavy Barrel.

    I hear ya on the PMC ~ before the Brass Debacle it was going for what you paid ~ now it up to $424 (cheapest and avail) at Bud's.

    Carters can just sell it a box a time and make good money ~ good for them but not from me. Ammo of all things is just a commodity and price is the only issue. Guns is another thing where I wouuld pay more but only if I am getting something in return (besides the gun).
     

    diverge

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    Houston gun shops were expensive way before Obama got in office. Why in the heck would someone want to pay $650 for a Glock that they could get at the GRB gunshow for $450.00?

    That is one thing that has always drove me crazy. Why is it all the reasonably priced gun dealers are out of towners at the gun shows? Funny how our own gun dealers don't even go to the gun shows.
     

    brickboy240

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    I have a theory on this...

    First, many Houston gun shops are high because of the large numbers of lazy or impulsive shoppers. There is obviously enough of these types to keep the wheels turning at the Houston gun stores that are notorious for high prices. There are also a large number of gun owners that are equally as lazy and get bored with what they own and decide, out of convenience, to trade 2,3 or more in at a huge loss on something new at these stores. Otherwise...what else explains the large number of barely used guns on the racks at these places? I am sure that like the auto dealers, the gun stores also make more money on used guns that get traded in for half what they're worth than they do selling brand new guns.

    I can't really blame them for taking advantage of either of these situations...why not?

    Then, throw in the latet panic and a huge influx of newbie gun buyers that may also be uninformed on shopping around online and equally as lazy and impulsive in their shopping habits and add the mix of the supply of guns from makers stretched to the max and yes...you have the current situation.

    Why can't we have reasonably priced gun shops in Houston? Well...they don't need to be this way in order to survive...hello! This is how the free market works.

    What can we do about it? Well, the first thing is to NOT go in and complain to the store owners or employees about it all. They know exactly what they're doing and probably don't care. They are obviously making huge money off the panic and the impulse buyers and lazy traders I mentioned above and don't need the business of those in the know or loyal shooters and gun owners. In this market, they CAN have a take it or leave it attitude and since they are there to make money first...you can't blame them. Arguing with them is silly and largely non-productive...don't give in to the temptation.

    What we CAN do is do what many of us continue to do - vote with your wallet and continue to buy guns online or from out of city/state for less. The same goes for ammo...don't get lazy and pay Gander Mtn or Carters prices...this is exactly what keeps their prices so high. Every time you complain about the 800 dollar AK and then go ahead and buy it at that price later on .... you are only encouraging the high prices.

    Have some patience, shop around and buy somewhere else. Sooner or later (and it WILL hapen) the panic buying will subside and then maybe they'll start bringing the prices down and we can do what I am sure most would love to do: support local brick and mortar stores again.

    But until then...consider what caused all this and review your choices to combat it.

    Otherwise...just do what other lazy and spendthrift gun buyers are doing and blindly pay what Gander, Carters and others are asking and don't complain.

    It always amazes me how economically ignorant people are in this country. Time to smarten up, people! LOL

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    txjustin

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    I have a theory on this...

    First, many Houston gun shops are high because of the large numbers of lazy or impulsive shoppers. There is obviously enough of these types to keep the wheels turning at the Houston gun stores that are notorious for high prices. There are also a large number of gun owners that are equally as lazy and get bored with what they own and decide, out of convenience, to trade 2,3 or more in at a huge loss on something new at these stores. Otherwise...what else explains the large number of barely used guns on the racks at these places? I am sure that like the auto dealers, the gun stores also make more money on used guns that get traded in for half what they're worth than they do selling brand new guns.

    I can't really blame them for taking advantage of either of these situations...why not?

    Then, throw in the latet panic and a huge influx of newbie gun buyers that may also be uninformed on shopping around online and equally as lazy and impulsive in their shopping habits and add the mix of the supply of guns from makers stretched to the max and yes...you have the current situation.

    Why can't we have reasonably priced gun shops in Houston? Well...they don't need to be this way in order to survive...hello! This is how the free market works.

    What can we do about it? Well, the first thing is to NOT go in and complain to the store owners or employees about it all. They know exactly what they're doing and probably don't care. They are obviously making huge money off the panic and the impulse buyers and lazy traders I mentioned above and don't need the business of those in the know or loyal shooters and gun owners. In this market, they CAN have a take it or leave it attitude and since they are there to make money first...you can't blame them. Arguing with them is silly and largely non-productive...don't give in to the temptation.

    What we CAN do is do what many of us continue to do - vote with your wallet and continue to buy guns online or from out of city/state for less. The same goes for ammo...don't get lazy and pay Gander Mtn or Carters prices...this is exactly what keeps their prices so high. Every time you complain about the 800 dollar AK and then go ahead and buy it at that price later on .... you are only encouraging the high prices.

    Have some patience, shop around and buy somewhere else. Sooner or later (and it WILL hapen) the panic buying will subside and then maybe they'll start bringing the prices down and we can do what I am sure most would love to do: support local brick and mortar stores again.

    But until then...consider what caused all this and review your choices to combat it.

    Otherwise...just do what other lazy and spendthrift gun buyers are doing and blindly pay what Gander, Carters and others are asking and don't complain.

    It always amazes me how economically ignorant people are in this country. Time to smarten up, people! LOL

    - brickboy240


    Very good post!!
     

    goldenchild3079

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    I just apply for my FFL the days of $35.00 a transfer will be gone $15.00 is more like it, and low prices on guns with a customer service oriented additude. Plus an online store nationwide.
     

    diverge

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    Originally Posted by Gentoo
    Are there that many people so ignorant they cant go to gunbroker or spend 10 minutes on the net finding a dealer who will ship at a lower price?
    Yes.

    Haha.

    I was in CC looking for some Tetra grease. Guy and his girl are buying a firearm. They are asking the sales rep which is the best caliber and which gun to buy.

    Know a guy that went to FF and bought a handgun. That particular version came with and w/o an external safety. They only had the version with the safety currently in stock. This guy didn't want the safety but was so impatient that he bought it. He was shooting it that afternoon saying he regretted buying it. He kept forgetting to flip off the safety.

    Another guy brought a Glock for $650.00 on a weekend that the GRB fun show was in town. He could have brought the same model for $450.00 at the GRB. He had never been to a gun show.

    So yes, shopping around appears to be to "advanced" for a lot of people.
     

    clement

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    I posted something similar to this post in the reloading section since i was talking about reloading. I wont go to CC because of the poor customer service anymore. I called yesterday just on a whim to see if the had primers. The gentlemen who answered the phone told me yes, i asked if he was sure and he said yes. I dropped what i was doing and went there to pick them up. After standing around for 15mins. I finally got someone to help me. I asked him about the primers he just looked at me like i was an idiot said he didn't have any and hadnt had any and walked off.
    I also wont go to GM they are just to high.
    As far as Pruetts Place he may be 20 dollars higher but he is close to the house for the most part they are knowledgeable and friendly. Plus I would rather support local small business's.
    thats just me though.
     
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