He kept it going because he considered IHMSA to be his personal piggy bank. When he died, IHMSA nearly died because that short-sighted, selfish, imperious son of a bitch had made absolutely no provision for the continuation of the organization.As long as Elgin Gates was alive, he kept it going.
I could bring you an overpowered bolt pistol next time we're in the same place at the same time. A couple of shots and you'll understand.I dont understand why these exist.
I could bring you an overpowered bolt pistol next time we're in the same place at the same time. A couple of shots and you'll understand.
Some historical perspective might help.I just dont really see what the purpose of a . bolt pistol is when you can have a 300blk ar for the same money.
The power of a .308 in a backpack size package.............
For certain practical applications, it's perfect.............
Some historical perspective might help.
Back in the 1960s and 1970s, an off-the-shelf hunting rifle that could hold 2 MOA with factory loads was a particularly good one. 3 MOA (or worse) was common in the hunting fields. AR pattern rifles were expected to be 3-4 MOA. Gun mags were filled with articles on how to re-bed your factory Remington or Winchester so that you could spend a long time tediously developing handloads to achieve, maybe, consistent 1 MOA performance. Nearly all those articles wound up accepting 1.25 MOA loads as being the best choice, all things considered.
Then pistol silhouette came along. You could ask a custom gunsmith to give you a discarded factory Remington .308 barrel off some custom build he was doing. You could take that junk barrel, cut it in half, and screw it onto a Remington XP action. Then you screwed the whole shebang into one of those funky but inert Zytel factory stocks, using nothing more sophisticated than screws you bought at a hardware store.
Suddenly, this crap collection of parts was shooting under (sometimes well under) 1 MOA with factory loads and under .5 MOA with hastily-thrown-together handloads. And that accuracy was consistent in every way consistency is commonly measured.
Do I need to go into why short barrels, all else being equal, are more accurate than long barrels? I hope not.
It took years for Remington to chamber a heavier cartridge, the 7mm BR, in the XP-100. When they did, even the dunderheaded gun writers of major magazines discovered the way that shorter (and therefore stiffer) barrels were more accurate. To many gun writers, the 7mm XP was the first time they'd tested an over-the-counter firearm capable of .5 MOA with factory loads.
Those of us who grew up in that era will always have a soft spot in our hearts (and maybe our heads, too) for bolt-action pistols. Back then, they were a revelation. As often as not, they were art, too.
Nowadays, as in everything, you kids have it so much better. Aluminum chassis, better barrels, better triggers, better bullets, better factory ammo mean that you can buy .5 MOA all day long. Your AR pistols are close to that and much more convenient to shoot follow-up shots.
Forgive us oldsters, though, if we still appreciate the bolt action pistol for its (still) better accuracy, simpler format, compactness, and ability to function with any ammo of any power level. It's a package that will always be useful.
Insightful question.are we talking accuracy at a specific distance, or accuracy overall from 0-1000 yards?
Im not really arguing either way. Im just trying to figure out the attributes that a bolt pistol has that can be filled better by another platform. I always look at a firearm from the perspective of “is this a firearm I need, or a firearm I want?”. For me, it has to fill a role, so I am just trying to figure out what role this platform would fill.
The fact that flamethrowers exist is proof that someone thought “I want to set those people on fire, but I’m just not close enough to get the job done”.
Ah, then that's it, for him, it doesn't need to fill a role....