You'd be pleased to hear at least one instructor covered just these topics. In my class it was laid out the CHL is intended to cover you and yours. The way it was stated, was "everyone else has the same opportunity under the law to protect themselves, it's not up to you to be the hero." Then the issue of the costs of litigation after intervening were discussed. I think another quote was "if I'm in a crowded room where someone starts shooting, and there's an exit to my left? I'm taking it."
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You'd be pleased to hear at least one instructor covered just these topics. In my class it was laid out the CHL is intended to cover you and yours. The way it was stated, was "everyone else has the same opportunity under the law to protect themselves, it's not up to you to be the hero." Then the issue of the costs of litigation after intervening were discussed. I think another quote was "if I'm in a crowded room where someone starts shooting, and there's an exit to my left? I'm taking it."
I think end of last, or first of this month, would have to check to be certain.
txinvestigator
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I guess it does not really matter; Sept 1 will come after 90 days, and if you wait you will likely have to pay another fee to DPS. Might as well get in a class.
Did my 3rd or 4th renewal couple years back and did it all on line for almost nothing money wise so don't see the big deal with this.
txinvestigator
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If you apply for renewal on Sept 1, it will depend on when your license expires, and when DPS can get it back to you.
FrEaK_aCcIdEnT
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With only 19 days between when it goes into effect and when your license expires, I wouldn't wait. Just think of all the folks that are going to wait until Sep. 1st. Not to mention renewal is already a 5 - 6 week wait.
txinvestigator
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Why do some of you insist on turning every thread into name calling?
I asked you to name the class you took that had leftist, nanny staters who gouged you on the price for your renewal. Please do so. You made a claim, back it up.
You called all CHL instructors greedy bitches. I responded that paying approximately $12.50 an hour for a 4 hour renewal was hardly greedy. The instructors did not make the law, we are simply giving the public an avenue to get the legal end of carrying concealed taken care of for you. You do realize that most instructors are not making anything to speak of after teaching a class, right?
You made a pretty harsh allegation earlier. Back it up.
txinvestigator
TGT Addict
Perhaps he thinks us greedy because he cannot teach. I am an instructor. I support reduced times and elimination of the renewal class. Yep, I am real bitch.
Ummmm, isn't that $12.50 per hour per student? So if there are 10 people in the class, it is $125.00 per hour x 4 hours = $500 per class taught?
What are the expenses the instructor incurs for the room etc? Not trying to throw fuel on the fire, just asking to better understand. Thanks.
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I wrote Rep Strauss a few weeks ago telling him his efforts to derail HB 700 (open carry) and HB 928 (Come and Take It) was an injustice to the people of TX. He wrote me back (and I honestly think it was written by him or someone who speaks for him), touting bills like this one that reduces or eliminates CHL renewal classes and the other one that removes the penalty for inadvertently showing a gun.
That's all fine and dandy, but I'm still pretty disappointed about the failure of the above mentioned bills, and campus carry. It seems nearly every state is becoming increasingly pro gun, or increasingly anti gun, but in Texas it appears we have a stalemate. While I'm glad these bills passed, I wouldn't say our gun rights have been strengthened at all.
Make no mistake, the Progressives want to take away virtually all our gun rights, at least on paper. The next few years should be telling.
Not only that but the Democratic Party of Harris County (and I'm sure many others) are on a mission to turn Texas into a Democratic state.
Not that I typically pick sides in politics, but the Democrats are the ones attacking our gun rights, so that would be a disaster.
That's all fine and dandy, but I'm still pretty disappointed about the failure of the above mentioned bills, and campus carry. It seems nearly every state is becoming increasingly pro gun, or increasingly anti gun, but in Texas it appears we have a stalemate. While I'm glad these bills passed, I wouldn't say our gun rights have been strengthened at all.
Make no mistake, the Progressives want to take away virtually all our gun rights, at least on paper. The next few years should be telling.
Not only that but the Democratic Party of Harris County (and I'm sure many others) are on a mission to turn Texas into a Democratic state.
Not that I typically pick sides in politics, but the Democrats are the ones attacking our gun rights, so that would be a disaster.
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These little children, trying to call me out again for accurately and in context stating...facts...
They keep forgetting I've been an CHL and small arms instructor for decades, and run large classes...fifty students and up...every few weeks. For free. But then, I am a professional instructor, Master class shooter, gunsmith, manufacturer, and owner of a quite profitable gun company. What the hell do I know about the industry?
FlashBang did the math very well...instructors can make a ton of cash off even renewals under the current system, and many of the less scrupulous are very happy to take advantage of the idiots that consider themselves our masters by crying rivers about their lack of income, err, "unsafe conditions" if training mandates are reduced...
Alex
They keep forgetting I've been an CHL and small arms instructor for decades, and run large classes...fifty students and up...every few weeks. For free. But then, I am a professional instructor, Master class shooter, gunsmith, manufacturer, and owner of a quite profitable gun company. What the hell do I know about the industry?
FlashBang did the math very well...instructors can make a ton of cash off even renewals under the current system, and many of the less scrupulous are very happy to take advantage of the idiots that consider themselves our masters by crying rivers about their lack of income, err, "unsafe conditions" if training mandates are reduced...
Alex
+1. I've been on quite a few gun forums, but find people like to bicker more on this one than most others (GlockTalk excluded).
That's why I rarely get on here anymore, unless it is to discuss an issue related to TEXAS gun rights/laws/events.
I've found a reloading forum with mostly older people who don't belittle you every time you ask a "stupid" question and who don't cross examine every single word you type to see if they can possibly try to start an argument with you, not to mention people who can recognize and take a joke without getting all butthurt. Been pretty content and have actually befriended and done business with several members.
I just like TGT cause it's local, but man there are some a-holes in here! (No offense to anyone, I'm an a-hole myself, but at least I try to say things in a polite and non confrontational manner, just out of common courtesy).
Well, let me see......I charge $150/hr for technical services, portal to portal. You want me to review something and give you my "Expert Opinion"? Sure - it's $150/hr...includin' all research time, etc.
Those instructors have to pay for the classroom, teaching materials, etc. You may not think much of it, but it has a cost. They also have to spend time setting up the classes, do the paperwork for the state, and have ongoing education to maintain their certifications. So it's not the gravy train that ya might think.
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