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Discussion in 'Handguns' started by LaVbRef, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. Darqhelmet

    Darqhelmet You had one job, one.

    Jul 5, 2018
    Kaufman County
    I wouldn’t believe the round count of the seller. Just look for what has been mentioned and replace the springs if you buy used.

  2. claymore504

    claymore504 Well-Known

    Dec 2, 2008
    Katy, TX
    I dont think round count is as important as abuse. A handgun can have 10,000 rounds through it and if it was taken care of it will be good to go. Then you could have a handgun with 1,000 and treated like garbage.

    OLDVET Well-Known

    Dec 14, 2009
    Richardson, Texas
    Barrel life true story:
    I had to return one of my Springfield 1911s to the factory for service awhile back. While it was there I asked the service manager about barrel life, since the 1911 I had returned had over 30k rounds through it. He told me that with the improved metallurgy begin used today, a good (one piece) 1911 barrel should hold up for 50k rounds of lead ammo and 30k rounds of jacketed ammo. Assuming a person is not shooting speed demon loads.
    He also said that once a barrel starts to degrade after the 30k to 50k rounds, a normal shooter would not notice the difference. The 1911 is built for the long haul.

    A good home defense semi from CZ would be the CZ 75 P-01. It has a steel slide with an aluminum frame, rubber grip panels, and it shoots very nicely. I have two. That is, I have one, the wife took the second.
    The P-01 has"night sights" from the factory, but the sight must be activated by light prior to shining in the dark. Several companies make replacement tritium sights for the P-01.

    Another all around semi is the P-07. It has a steel slide and polymer frame, so the weight is less. A consideration if you decide to carry it. Both of mine are very accurate and recoil is not an issue.
    Both of my P-07s have factory tritium sights. The dots are a little large for my taste, but are easy to see in the dark.
    CZ pistols are very popular currently. I recommend you shop around on the web until you find a good deal.
    I rarely buy used firearms. With a little effort, I can usually find a new pistol for about the same price as some dude or LGS is asking for theirs.
    With a new gun I know its history, plus I get a warranty if anything goes wrong.
    Good luck with whatever you decide to purchase.
  4. deemus

    deemus TGT Addict

    Feb 1, 2010
    It should be noted that many gun manufacturers now are great about warranty work. So if you buy a used gun, and something bad is wrong with it, the maker MAY fix it for you.

    I bought a box of "stuff" from an estate sale a few years ago.

    In that bunch of rusty crap was a Ruger Blackhawk that had a cylinder blown in half. I contacted them about it and they sent me a brand new one. Not the cylinder, but a brand new pistola.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
  5. CyberWolf

    CyberWolf Active Member

    Aug 22, 2018
    I could be mistaken, but my understanding is that round-count as relates to barrel life is really only a concern when it comes to rifle barrels, and from a practical perspective, even then will in most cases only be an issue for certain types of HP/Magnum barrels & materials (e.g. stainless match barrels vs. coated/lined, etc.). IMHO, bigger concern on a used bbl in most cases would be potential for dinged-up chamber, crown, etc.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
  6. Dawico

    Dawico TGT Addict

    Oct 15, 2009
    Lampasas, Texas
    Most guns are shot very little. The average owner probably shoots less than a box of ammo a year.

    If a gun is just plain wore out it will be obvious. Most shooters don't sell guns they like to shoot.

    The odds are highly in your favor.
  7. Darkpriest667

    Darkpriest667 Well-Known

    Dawico is right, most people that own guns take them out MAYBE once a year and put a box of ammo through it. They're not like some of us that shoot monthly or weekly.. I had a Glock 43 I sold earlier this year that I put 10k rounds through and the barrel was as good as the day I bought it and I bought it USED. That being said, always inspect the barrel when you buy a gun. If for nothing else than for pitting.

    OLDVET Well-Known

    Dec 14, 2009
    Richardson, Texas
    Friends, there are "a lot" of people that shoot "a lot" of ammo monthly. There are thousands of competition shooters out there that go through 30K to 40K rounds a year. Maybe more.
    I enjoy shooting. Several of the guys I work with do as well. We try to make it to the range at least once a month, weather permitting. We each shoot an average of 200 rounds per trip. Reloading is a necessity for me.
    I agree that the majority of the gun population own a gun but rarely use it.
    Others like me and my friends use them regularly.
    The main thing is to not abuse them. Keep them clean and well lubricated and they will last longer than you. Someone in your family will get them when you are gone.
    Again, according to the pros at Springfield, all barrels wear. Jacketed ammo is harder than lead ammo on a barrel's lands and grooves.
    An original military issue Colt 1911 would produce 5" five shot groups at ten yards brand new.
    My Springfield "Loaded" after 35K rounds will still produce 2" groups, if I do my part. Maybe after another 50K to 60K rounds it will only shoot as well as a new military issue 1911. By that time, I will be old enough to have quit caring.
  9. m5215

    m5215 Active Member

    Sep 3, 2018
    Plano, TX
    CZ makes a great pistol in the CZ-75. Beretta also makes an excellent pistol in the Model 92FS.
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  10. The.Other.Jared

    The.Other.Jared Member

    Jul 24, 2018
    East Texas
    The cheaper (price and quality) pistols tend to be the ones to worry round count on. They'll let you know pretty quickly if they've really been shot. The higher quality pistols like the Sigs and CZs you're looking at don't show much wear till you're much higher in round count. I have 2 P07s currently, one with more than 1500 rounds through it and one with less than 500. Both look brand new. Some people would say 1500 rounds is barely breaking a gun in while others may shoot 50 through their pistol in their entire lifetime.

    I say don't worry much about the round count. Just make sure it's not worn out or abused. And, if at all possible, shoot all you can. That gun you've been eyeing and think you're gonna love may not be so wonderful when you shoot it.

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