Ukraine invasion

[ian]

Been a while since I posted (on this thread or another) but I've seen my country turn hard left right down the shitter, Don't even know why in phucq I ever wore Army Green was I Rambo hell no was there times I thought what in hell was I doing......yeah, but by god I still wore the woodland camo that I was issued. Now I have to wonder what damn good did it do as I look around me.
Don't care to, or have time for patience anymore.

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[Johnny Diamond]

Rodger that.

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[jrbfishn]

And people wonder why I hide in the boonies.

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[Havok1]

I dont disagree that the US may find it beneficial to have russia busy and getting beaten up, but the negotiations were not going to happen/get results no matter what the US said or did.

The VAST majority want to fight to regain the occupied areas at all costs. Had negotiations conceded anything it would have been horrifically unpopular among voters and was not going to happen.

It was like going into pawnstars asking for full MSRP on an item... just because a guy as they walk in says its not worth going in there if you want msrp, it doesn't mean that guy sabotaged the deal since it was never going to happen in the first place.

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we’ll never know I guess. You’re just justifying actions that were taken for the sole purpose of continuing the war. The right thing to do would have been to not get between two countries who were willing to come to the table to work out their problems, and the let them either reach an agreement or not.

 

[rotor]

we’ll never know I guess. You’re just justifying actions that were taken for the sole purpose of continuing the war. The right thing to do would have been to not get between two countries who were willing to come to the table to work out their problems, and the let them either reach an agreement or not.

As has been said, if Russia takes Ukraine next comes a Nato country and we are obligated. My maternal family comes from Poland or depending on the year, Russia. Just a few men in history responsible for millions of deaths.

 

[candcallen]

we’ll never know I guess. You’re just justifying actions that were taken for the sole purpose of continuing the war. The right thing to do would have been to not get between two countries who were willing to come to the table to work out their problems, and the let them either reach an agreement or not.

It's been explained to you many times that the assertion of the US interfering in the talks between the 2 sides is complete bullshit. Even referenced the actual words of the Man you cited, falsely, that such a thing occurred to prove the absolute truth.

At this point one has to wonder about you.

 

[ian]

It's been explained to you many times that the assertion of the US interfering in the talks between the 2 sides is complete bullshit. Even referenced the actual words of the Man you cited, falsely, that such a thing occurred to prove the absolute truth.

At this point one has to wonder about you.

Havoc forgot about that. He remembers now and won't say it again.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Been a while since I posted (on this thread or another) but I've seen my country turn hard left right down the shitter, Don't even know why in phucq I ever wore Army Green was I Rambo hell no was there times I thought what in hell was I doing......yeah, but by god I still wore the woodland camo that I was issued. Now I have to wonder what damn good did it do as I look around me.
Don't care to, or have time for patience anymore.

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Your service helped care for the good people in this nation. It slowed its demise just a little and was worth it for our sake. Service takes a toll. Thank you for your sacrifice.

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[cycleguy2300]

we’ll never know I guess. You’re just justifying actions that were taken for the sole purpose of continuing the war. The right thing to do would have been to not get between two countries who were willing to come to the table to work out their problems, and the let them either reach an agreement or not.

Let's look at this another way...

Ukraine and russia were never going to come to compromise then and they couldn't now. Too many on both sides want total victory (me included). Ukraine's hard line is wanting russia all the way out, on that they will not (and should not) compromise. russia's hard line is Crimea and the two regions they invaded in 2014, they won't under anything less than military action let those go.

The moderator of the negotiations would probably rather blame the failure of "his" talks on an outside influence rather than say he was helpless to negotiate hopeless compromise.

The USA did not change Ukraine's mind about being uncompromising on regaining all of its territory, Ukraine has said there can be no compromise on that from day one. Maybe the USA encouraged them to stand fast, but the moderator blaming someone other than himself for the failure of negotiations he moderated seems highly biased and highly suspect.

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[angel71rs]

Lukashenko missing. He was one of the few "leaders" that showed up for putler's May 9 parade; looked like crap, had to use a golf cart to get around.

Did he get a dose of uncle putler's "special tea"? If so, does putler want him out for refusing to send his troops into Ukraine?

If he is replaced by a putler stoogier stooge, will the stoogier stooge order the troops in? Would they obey or kick him TFO now that they see putler is weakened?

MSN

 

[cycleguy2300]

Lukashenko missing. He was one of the few "leaders" that showed up for putler's May 9 parade; looked like crap, had to use a golf cart to get around.

Did he get a dose of uncle putler's "special tea"? If so, does putler want him out for refusing to send his troops into Ukraine?

If he is replaced by a putler stoogier stooge, will the stoogier stooge order the troops in? Would they obey or kick him TFO now that they see putler is weakened?

MSN

Been reading stuff about that.

Doesnt sound good and the timing is odd...

I wonder how a replacement could be more friendly to russia, ask to be part of russia?

Hope he's not OK.

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[benenglish]

I was asked to post this series. It was three parts and those have been posted up-thread.

Now there's a fourth installment, so...

 

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Ben,

Thank you!

 

[cycleguy2300]

I was asked to post this series. It was three parts and those have been posted up-thread.

Now there's a fourth installment, so...

Thanks been great video

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[angel71rs]

Even Macron can see which way the wind blows. A year ago he was calling “to save Putin’s face”.

Macron suggested Ukraine give up some of its sovereignty to allow Putin to save face, says Zelensky

French President Emanuel Macron suggested Ukraine should compromise on its sovereignty in order to allow Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to save face, President Volodymyr Zelensky, said in an interview with Italian TV Station Rai 1 on May 13.

www.yahoo.com

Now, he's all in with Ukraine; from a joint statement after his summit with Zelensky:

"The Presidents of Ukraine and France reiterated their unequivocal condemnation of Russia’s ongoing war of aggression against Ukraine. Ukraine has shown remarkable determination in exercising its inherent right to self-defence against this unprovoked and unjustified attack. Russia must immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw all its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders." (emphasis mine).

Joint declaration of France and Ukraine.

At their meeting in Paris on 14 May 2023, the Presidents of Ukraine and the French Republic issued the following declaration.

www.elysee.fr

 

[oldag]

Even Macron can see which way the wind blows. A year ago he was calling “to save Putin’s face”.

Macron suggested Ukraine give up some of its sovereignty to allow Putin to save face, says Zelensky

French President Emanuel Macron suggested Ukraine should compromise on its sovereignty in order to allow Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to save face, President Volodymyr Zelensky, said in an interview with Italian TV Station Rai 1 on May 13.

www.yahoo.com

Now, he's all in with Ukraine; from a joint statement after his summit with Zelensky:

"The Presidents of Ukraine and France reiterated their unequivocal condemnation of Russia’s ongoing war of aggression against Ukraine. Ukraine has shown remarkable determination in exercising its inherent right to self-defence against this unprovoked and unjustified attack. Russia must immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw all its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders." (emphasis mine).

Joint declaration of France and Ukraine.

At their meeting in Paris on 14 May 2023, the Presidents of Ukraine and the French Republic issued the following declaration.

www.elysee.fr

Most politicians are the same.

 

[Havok1]

As has been said, if Russia takes Ukraine next comes a Nato country and we are obligated. My maternal family comes from Poland or depending on the year, Russia. Just a few men in history responsible for millions of deaths.

sounds like europes problem to deal with. If they don’t want to, why should I?

Let's look at this another way...

Ukraine and russia were never going to come to compromise then and they couldn't now. Too many on both sides want total victory (me included). Ukraine's hard line is wanting russia all the way out, on that they will not (and should not) compromise. russia's hard line is Crimea and the two regions they invaded in 2014, they won't under anything less than military action let those go.

The moderator of the negotiations would probably rather blame the failure of "his" talks on an outside influence rather than say he was helpless to negotiate hopeless compromise.

The USA did not change Ukraine's mind about being uncompromising on regaining all of its territory, Ukraine has said there can be no compromise on that from day one. Maybe the USA encouraged them to stand fast, but the moderator blaming someone other than himself for the failure of negotiations he moderated seems highly biased and highly suspect.

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Why don’t you stop pretending like he didn’t talk about it at length in an interview? I believe he said he thought he had a 50/50 shot at success, but he never got to see it through. The fact that the U.S. media didn’t want to air footage of an interview that was embarrassing to both our government(which dislikes Israel) and Zelensky seems highly biased and highly suspect. Can you give me a reason why I should trust your opinion over his?

 

[cycleguy2300]

sounds like europes problem to deal with. If they don’t want to, why should I?

Why don’t you stop pretending like he didn’t talk about it at length in an interview? I believe he said he thought he had a 50/50 shot at success, but he never got to see it through. The fact that the U.S. media didn’t want to air footage of an interview that was embarrassing to both our government(which dislikes Israel) and Zelensky seems highly biased and highly suspect. Can you give me a reason why I should trust your opinion over his?

So the guy thought he had a 50/50 shot and is surprised he couldn't broker a peace deal?

I don't know if I am more surprised he is surprised or surprised he thought the odds were that good. I'd have given it MAYBE 2-5% chance of success at the very best.

The guy is clearly trying to pass the buck for not getting a deal that was DOA negotiated, its truly ridiculous.

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[Havok1]

So the guy thought he had a 50/50 shot and is surprised he couldn't broker a peace deal?

I don't know if I am more surprised he is surprised or surprised he thought the odds were that good. I'd have given it MAYBE 2-5% chance of success at the very best.

The guy is clearly trying to pass the buck for not getting a deal that was DOA negotiated, its truly ridiculous.

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Who said anything about him being surprised? You’re quick to believe anything that fits your narrative but you’re stumbling to try to discredit something you know nothing about, all because it doesn’t fit the narrative you want. Like I have said before, just because you want to believe something is true, or false doesn’t make it so.

 

[rotor]

sounds like europes problem to deal with. If they don’t want to, why should I?

It is Europe's problem but we are part of NATO so our people by treaty will be in the fight. Seriously though, are you an American or are you sitting in a room in Russia promoting their BS?