Ukraine invasion

[ian]

It’s great to see the Russian thugs getting their due.
What a humiliation for that band of fascist war criminals.
Putin has wrecked his own country to fuel his little man ego.
Somebody is going to cut his throat eventually, and the Chicoms will make them their vassal state.
Tough stuff for Moscow and their delusional sycophants.
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I feel for the average Russian person. Sad what putler has done to his country.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

Many despots all over the world, past and present have destroyed their nation.

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[ian]

comparison doesn’t fit. Our government wants the war to continue, not end. If you support this, you’re pro war.

If you want Ukraine to be disarmed to the point they have to give up, you are pro putin.

 

[General Zod]

weird. Obiden supports the proxy war. Trump doesn’t. It seems that it’s the dems that are, and always have been in favor of war with Russia.

And that must be why they opposed Reagan's efforts to end the Cold War so successfully. And why Teddy Kennedy went to the Soviets with his hat in his hand asking for their help to keep Reagan from having a second term. And why Obama sat idly by while Russia did whatever the hell they wanted to just like Clinton before him. Seriously, do you even read what you type? Just because the Democrats refuse to recognize Russia as an adversary does not mean they're our ally. Every invasion of another country Russia has launched in the past 20 years has been under a Democrat administration, because Putin knows there will be no consequences.

Except this time the Dems painted themselves in the corner with all of the "Russian asset" bullshit, and the "Steele Dossier" they paid Russia to create, and all the blatant, amateurish and obvious Russian involvement in the last two elections that they can so conveniently point at to draw attention away from their real election fraud...and now Russia is taking advantage of a weak Democrat administration and the Dems are backed into a corner of having to back the Ukrainians. Why do you think they've slow walked so much material support? Why do you think they torpedoed the first Polish effort to supply MiG-29s? Hell, if they hadn't stuck themselves in this position through six plus years of disinformation efforts, they'd very happily have supported Ukraine the same way Obama did when Russia invaded Crimea - planeloads of blankets and MRE's.

Except you're very careful not to think about those facts, you'd rather throw out your conspiracy theories and call everyone who disagrees with you a Democrat supporter. You're clearly rooting for Russia. Just own it.

 

[ian]

weird. Obiden supports the proxy war. Trump doesn’t. It seems that it’s the dems that are, and always have been in favor of war with Russia.

Just like a leftist to lie about what Trump said.

Trump says Biden isn't doing enough. I agree.

 

[cycleguy2300]

comparison doesn’t fit. Our government wants the war to continue, not end. If you support this, you’re pro war.

I'm pro-Ukraine-getting -what-they-need-to-kick-russia-out... not pro war. I wish America had a stronger leader who would have IMMEDIATELY handed over absolutely as much hardware as we could spare so this would end.

The suggestion that being in supportive of the help Ukraine is getting is pro-war because its not enough to allow them to quickly win requires the suspension of more logic than I have the ability to do.

Would you have the US and Europe provide ALL Ukraine's needs to push russia out in a reasonable time, say 6 months?
Or
Would you have the US and other nations stop supplying Ukraine so they eventually collapse and fall to russian agression?

russia has made itself clear and does not hide that it wants what was the USSR to be russia. Giving them Ukraine will not satisfy them. They will attack NATO if allowed their way in Ukraine, it would be a matter of time.

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[ian]

 

[studenygreg]

I don't like the war but if we have to be involved then I would rather us go all in and end it quickly to lessen the impact on civilians.

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[oldag]

maybe you should have paid attention before the war. But we’ll really stick it to them with both us and ukraine continuing to buy their oil…

Read any business source you want. The numbers are there. Such as the prices they were getting for their oil before and how much of a lower price they are getting now.

Naw, never mind. Stay ignorant. Be like the liberals and deny any facts that don't fit your narrative.

 

[Havok1]

I'm pro-Ukraine-getting -what-they-need-to-kick-russia-out... not pro war. I wish America had a stronger leader who would have IMMEDIATELY handed over absolutely as much hardware as we could spare so this would end.

The suggestion that being in supportive of the help Ukraine is getting is pro-war because its not enough to allow them to quickly win requires the suspension of more logic than I have the ability to do.

Would you have the US and Europe provide ALL Ukraine's needs to push russia out in a reasonable time, say 6 months?
Or
Would you have the US and other nations stop supplying Ukraine so they eventually collapse and fall to russian agression?

russia has made itself clear and does not hide that it wants what was the USSR to be russia. Giving them Ukraine will not satisfy them. They will attack NATO if allowed their way in Ukraine, it would be a matter of time.

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when our government interfered with negotiations because they wanted the war to continue, the idea that it was about ukraine came to an end.

 

[Havok1]

Read any business source you want. The numbers are there. Such as the prices they were getting for their oil before and how much of a lower price they are getting now.

Naw, never mind. Stay ignorant. Be like the liberals and deny any facts that don't fit your narrative.

if you do some research you’ll find that their economy didn’t take the hit that it was expected to. They are a failing state and have been since before the war. Trying to attribute it to the war is what is ignorant.

 

[ian]

if you do some research you’ll find that their economy didn’t take the hit that it was expected to. They are a failing state and have been since before the war. Trying to attribute it to the war is what is ignorant.

What effect did the war have on Russias economy. Share your research.

 

[ian]

Insanely Huge Blasts Rock Ukrainian City

Massive explosions were recorded in the western Ukrainian city of Khmelnytskyi, in what was likely the detonation of a Soviet-era rocket fuel storage facility, similar to a recent Russian cruise missile strike on Pavlograd.

funker530.com

 

[General Zod]

Bad day for the Russian Air Force.

Four Russian Aircraft Shot Down Within Their Own Borders

Multiple possibilities exist as to what brought these aircraft down, but most would mark a major change in Ukraine's counter-air abilities.

www.thedrive.com

 

[candcallen]

when our government interfered with negotiations because they wanted the war to continue, the idea that it was about ukraine came to an end.

You have said this many times but when asked how we interfered you don't answer.

Ukraine position has been the same since the start, Russia needs to GTFO. Russias position has been the same since the start, well depending on the excuse for the special operation and it gets a bit muddled there, no nazis no nato Russia speaking citizen etc etc.

How did the US intervene in negotiations?

 

[candcallen]

Seriously give me something. Say at least that providing them arms is interference in negotiations. At least parrot the communist talking points to that effect. That floating nato membership is hampering negotiations. Both talking points go back to pre Crimea invasion days and have nothing to do with the post invasion negotiations. Maybe supporting Ukraine retaking land Russia retreats from?

Because the only substantial thing the US got Ukraine to do is drop its position that putin must be out of power before negotiations can begin. That certainly isn't prolonging the war on purpose. Or interference in the negotiations to further that end.

 

[cycleguy2300]

when our government interfered with negotiations because they wanted the war to continue, the idea that it was about ukraine came to an end.

The US didn't interfere with squat. You tried saying that a few days ago, but it was Ukriane refusing (rightfully) to accept anything but russia's complete withdrawal and russia refused to talk if Crimea was on the table. I don't know where the US got involved here...

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[cycleguy2300]

Bad day for the Russian Air Force.

Four Russian Aircraft Shot Down Within Their Own Borders

Multiple possibilities exist as to what brought these aircraft down, but most would mark a major change in Ukraine's counter-air abilities.

www.thedrive.com

I think they are trigger happy with Storm missiles ready to go now.

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[cycleguy2300]

Insanely Huge Blasts Rock Ukrainian City

Massive explosions were recorded in the western Ukrainian city of Khmelnytskyi, in what was likely the detonation of a Soviet-era rocket fuel storage facility, similar to a recent Russian cruise missile strike on Pavlograd.

funker530.com

Went through Khmelnytskyi a few times...

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[General Zod]

I think they are trigger happy with Storm missiles ready to go now.

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Stormshadows won't take down aircraft, though. I wonder if this is evidence of a newly provided long range AAM (like maybe AIM-120s - but it would take a LOT of work to get them to work with Russian-made radars) or some really, really clever MFers with MANPADS or doing some seriously well done "shoot and scoot" with a full sized SAM system.