Why does the U.S. ignore fluoride toxicity in drinking water?

[bones_708]

There are a lot of reasons for life expectancy to rise. People are sicker and fatter here than almost any other developed nation and certainly more than years ago.

Wow. Not only does your statement not address the previous comment, it doesn't address anything that has been mentioned in this thread at all.

 

[Younggun]

There are a lot of reasons for life expectancy to rise. People are sicker and fatter here than almost any other developed nation and certainly more than years ago.

I wonder if the higher cancer rates are related to a generally obese population living generally unhealthy lifestyles by their own free will.


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[Younggun]

Sounds like he's fully indoctrinated, no offence. Same with doctors and vaccinations. They are taught from day one a specific dogma and it is prohibited to contest.

Did he objectively write this paper and find that being anti-fluoride was conspiracy based, or did he begin with that supposition? Sounds like the latter.

Some people just don't like the idea of the government adding a bunch of stuff to the water supply. If you think about it for a moment, you realize that this is normal.

The scientific method is based on an initial supposition. They just call it a hypothesis. Then they either test the hypothesis through experimentation, or they look at work done by others to determine if the hypothesis is even worth testing. Many times a hypothesis can be proven wrong by simply looking at work done by others, verifying the accuracy of any previous conclusions of course.

In this case, simply looking for a correlation between fluoride and cancer rates. Although that becomes more difficult given the multitude of variables and difficulty of ruling out the numerous other possible causes present in everyday life for 99.9% of the population.


People not liking the government and stuff to the water supply is perfectly ok with me though. And as you have pointed out in this thread, most of it is controlled locally so it is a fairly easy thing to change in the grand scheme vs getting changes at the federal level.

Just put together a presentation of valid scientific data to support your claim and present it to your local gov. Or show it to the citizens and get enough signatures to have it out on the ballot for a vote.


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[HKShooter65]

Sounds like he's fully indoctrinated.
Did he objectively write this paper and find that being anti-fluoride was conspiracy based, or did he begin with that supposition?

Some people just don't like the idea of the government adding a bunch of stuff to the water supply. .

I'm thinking he, and the consensus of the public health professional community thought it was put to rest around the time Nakita Khrushchev took his missiles out of Cuba, before they were born.

From the Wikipedia article:
"Water fluoridation has frequently been the subject of conspiracy theories. During the "Red Scare" in the United States during the late 1940s and 1950s, and to a lesser extent in the 1960s, activists on the far right of American politics routinely asserted that fluoridation was part of a far-reaching plot to impose a socialist or communist regime."

It rests somewhere between aliens visiting the earth and jet airlines chemtrails poisoning us in plausibility?
http://www.sadanduseless.com/2015/09/ridiculous-conspiracy-theories/

 

[Younggun]

I don't like the crap in the water cause it doesn't taste as good. I miss the taste of well water. Don't care for chlorine. Although given the nature of municipal water supplies, it would be difficult to remove without creating a multitude of other health hazards.


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[HKShooter65]

This thread has meandered a bit.

Does anyone have a link to a reputable science source that suggests fluorinated water is bad for me?
I'll listen to science.
It's an interesting suggestion.

Here's a positive one:
http://www.bmj.com/content/321/7265/855?variant=full-text&goto=reply
It compiles several dozen other studies.
I'm skeptical too of our government. It's from the UK if that helps.

 

[TheDan]

CDC:
"Fluoridation of drinking water began in 1945 and in 1999 reaches an estimated 144 million persons in the United States. Fluoridation safely and inexpensively benefits both children and adults by effectively preventing tooth decay, regardless of socioeconomic status or access to care. Fluoridation has played an important role in the reductions in tooth decay (40%-70% in children) and of tooth loss in adults (40%-60%)"

It being a government program that is supposed to help poor people should be enough to be skeptical of it

most of it is controlled locally so it is a fairly easy thing to change in the grand scheme vs getting changes at the federal level.

That' a very important point. Local control of such things is much preferable.

 

[bones_708]

It being a government program that is supposed to help poor people should be enough to be skeptical of it

Why? It isn't necessarily done for altruistic reasons. It simply saves money in dental care.

 

[TX OMFS]

Fluoride haters are funny.

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[Wezel]

Fluoride haters are funny.

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The funniest right here:

 

[zincwarrior]

I'm sure like everything, too much can be bad for you, including water and oxygen.*



*Zincwarrior has scientifically proven too much chocolate cannot be bad for you. Zincwarrior's wife will occasionally make cakeballs mad from mashed chocolate cake and frosting, dipped in Hershey's chocolate, with a little Hershey's syrup and strawberry drizzle. Zincwarrior is always fine once he comes out of the diabetic coma a few days later. So worth it!

 

[ROGER4314]

Think what you like about fluoride. I look at it differently! Knowing the kinds of lying, self obsessed reptiles that we have as rulers, When they say "Swallow this .......... it's good for you!", I react with disgust and horror!

Flash

 

[bones_708]

Think what you like about fluoride. I look at it differently! Knowing the kinds of lying, self obsessed reptiles that we have as rulers, When they say "Swallow this .......... it's good for you!", I react with disgust and horror!

Flash

Yeah great but it really makes no sense here. This isn't big government. In most cases it's the decision of the local waterboard or commission.

 

[HKShooter65]

Re-asking

It's very simple to show benefit from science that seems really compelling.
Does anyone have a link to a science site that shows or even suggests harm?

If someone opposes fluoride for the same reason that they would oppose being forced to pay for an air bag in their vehicle there is not much to argue.
Makes a case for voting I'm thinking.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Re-asking

It's very simple to show benefit from science that seems really compelling.
Does anyone have a link to a science site that shows or even suggests harm?

If someone opposes fluoride for the same reason that they would oppose being forced to pay for an air bag in their vehicle there is not much to argue.
Makes a case for voting I'm thinking.

Do your own research. It's out there. Not like you've provided any sources proving it is good for you.

I'm sure there are a lot of factors as to why tooth decay has declined. Probably has something to do with brushing and flossing, oh and going to the dentist more often.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Yeah great but it really makes no sense here. This isn't big government. In most cases it's the decision of the local waterboard or commission.

So you never answered my question, why does Highland Park, one of the most affluent towns in America, even home to an American president, not put fluoride in their water?

It's nice that you think water boards, city council's etc. are run by angels. I don't buy it.

 

[zincwarrior]

Do your own research. It's out there. Not like you've provided any sources proving it is good for you.

I'm sure there are a lot of factors as to why tooth decay has declined. Probably has something to do with brushing and flossing, oh and going to the dentist more often.

So you are on a thread proposing that something is bad, and its supporters have drank the Koolaid, but you can't support your statements with any scientific studies. yes that will certainly help your position...

 

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