P320 new drop test shows problems persist

[TAZ]

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This also shows that the testing that SAMMI and the military did was very lacking and should be revised before ANY Sig is put into service and exiting models should be suspended from use until all drop issues have been eliminated.

About the only changes I'd make to that statement are that the current industry standard drop tests are lacking and must be updated. Once a more robust test standard is established it must be applied to all guns, not just Sig.

IMO there is more to this than just inertia driven trigger movement. If you look at the slow motion videos the triggers aren't moving much. That means that all the internal safeties are either disabled during the very first part of the take up or there is sufficient play among the various parts of the FCG that it goes bang when jostled just right. I'm put off that Sig has a solution to a problem they claim doesnt exist and a solution they implement to the DOD guns. Hmmmmmmm

 

[heavygunner8]

This entire debacle really highlights firearm safety and in particular, making sure your firearm is secure whether you're using it for home defense or carrying. Literally 1 dumb mistake can end your life. The cop that got shot in the leg by his own P320 after dropping it out of his holster could easily have died if the bullet pierced his femoral artery. It makes me cringe thinking about it.

 

[diesel1959]

About the only changes I'd make to that statement are that the current industry standard drop tests are lacking and must be updated. Once a more robust test standard is established it must be applied to all guns, not just Sig.

IMO there is more to this than just inertia driven trigger movement. If you look at the slow motion videos the triggers aren't moving much. That means that all the internal safeties are either disabled during the very first part of the take up or there is sufficient play among the various parts of the FCG that it goes bang when jostled just right. I'm put off that Sig has a solution to a problem they claim doesnt exist and a solution they implement to the DOD guns. Hmmmmmmm

Ummm, do you not "get" that the DOD guns all have thumb safeties? With that, it becomes a doctrinal matter regarding use of the safety when the weapon is hot. Essentially, the DOD guns are not P320s at all.

 

[AustinN4]

Essentially, the DOD guns are not P320s at all.

Can't believe you said that. Of course they are P320s, but with thumb safeties, and a few other different small parts.

 

[AustinN4]

The cop that got shot in the leg by his own P320 after dropping it out of his holster.............

Actually, he dropped it holster and all.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Ummm, do you not "get" that the DOD guns all have thumb safeties? With that, it becomes a doctrinal matter regarding use of the safety when the weapon is hot. Essentially, the DOD guns are not P320s at all.

I'm curious, should soldiers carry their new P320s with the safety on when it's in their hand? I'm referring to during actual combat. What happens if were to be dropped then, because I mean, shit happens?

 

[Dawico]

I'm curious, should soldiers carry their new P320s with the safety on when it's in their hand? I'm referring to during actual combat. What happens if were to be dropped then, because I mean, shit happens?

That is a good point. The gun should be drop safe with or without the safety on.

 

[AustinN4]

That is a good point. The gun should be drop safe with or without the safety on.

Absolutely, but remember that it was a DOD requirement. Also, the M17 has other internal parts that the regular P320 doesn't have, but that is what the "voluntary upgrade" is about.

AIUI today, we will get all of the M17 parts except for the thumb safety as a part of the "upgrade", and if you want the thumb safety you can get that also.

Stay tuned on Monday for the official announcement which could differ from the above.

 

[GonzoLonzo]

My wife works for ICE and they were scheduled to get the P320 in October but they just got word that the agency is sending them back. Will have to wait and see what happens.

 

[diesel1959]

Can't believe you said that. Of course they are P320s, but with thumb safeties, and a few other different small parts.

And THAT's why they're not the same.

 

[AustinN4]

And THAT's why they're not the same.

But they are still P320s.

 

[diesel1959]

But they are still P320s.

Dude. Lookatchoo.

 

[claymore504]

Guess we find out today how Sig will handle this.

 

[AustinN4]

https://www.sigsauer.com/support/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program-2/

Is there a charge to participate in this upgrade?
"No. The upgrade is being offered to our consumers at no cost."

Will SIG SAUER cover the shipping both ways?
"Yes."

 

[easy rider]

Looks to be a lighter trigger as many predicted.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Looks to be a lighter trigger as many predicted.

How will this affect my current P320 trigger pull?
There should be no meaningful or significant change from the current P320 trigger pull.

 

[Kar98]

How will this affect my current P320 trigger pull?
There should be no meaningful or significant change from the current P320 trigger pull.

Lighter, as in "it will have less mass", not lighter as in "less force will be necessary to squeeze the trigger".

 

[easy rider]

How will this affect my current P320 trigger pull?
There should be no meaningful or significant change from the current P320 trigger pull.

From the many videos I've seen on testing it showed that the discharge wouldn't happen with either a heavier or lighter trigger (weight not pull). Many of those believed that Sig Sauer would opt for the lighter trigger without affecting the trigger pull.

 

[TAZ]

From the many videos I've seen on testing it showed that the discharge wouldn't happen with either a heavier or lighter trigger (weight not pull). Many of those believed that Sig Sauer would opt for the lighter trigger without affecting the trigger pull.

Not sure I am understanding your statement. Are I saying that a heavier weight (mass for the piece of aluminum) trigger also stops the ND? If so then the issue isn't the inertia of the trigger causing the movement required to fire. It's been a while since I've taken physics, but if memory serves correct inertia is a function of mass. More mass = more inertia = more movement. Only way to change that and keep trigger pull the same (same springs) is to decrease mass.

 

[easy rider]

Not sure I am understanding your statement. Are I saying that a heavier weight (mass for the piece of aluminum) trigger also stops the ND? If so then the issue isn't the inertia of the trigger causing the movement required to fire. It's been a while since I've taken physics, but if memory serves correct inertia is a function of mass. More mass = more inertia = more movement. Only way to change that and keep trigger pull the same (same springs) is to decrease mass.

I did not conduct any of the tests myself, only observed the videos of the tests being conducted and stated what I observed. There are several Youtube videos on this.