Has anything been said about how or if there would any enforcement. I mean what's the point without enforcement?
As you stated above, and I realize you are just stating the facts of it not necessarily supporting it, if it serves as documentation of a sale, then how does that work? If it's Federal law do the feds need to be called in every time someone is found with a gun? If it's a State law does local PD check out guns to ensure they were processed according to the law? Either way, how can that be done without a central database? Without a central database of UBC's and specific guns sold after date X the law is useless. Tracking down a 4473 at a specific dealer would not be a quick process. Do they hold you till then? Do they confiscate said firearm? What if the FFL is no longer in business? Do we wait for ATF to search through their so called "non-indexed" database and come up with an answer.
It leaves more questions then answers, which is probably the point.
This is where universal bg checks fall into topics many don't wanna talk about. I don't want criminals doing bad things. Though lets say a prohibited person changes his life and lives their life with good intent. Imo their right to protect their home and family shouldn't be infringed on. A lot of gun owners who pass background checks aren't great people. They just haven't gotten caught doing whatever it is their doing. Fixing society has nothing to do with guns.NONE of us should want guns falling into the wrong hands
The way current idiots want to implement UBC, it would be next to impossible to support.
With that stated, I could support an anonymous app or 800 number to be used for any reason. Enter the persons name and get a red light: green light confirmation #. You don’t need to give a reason for the check and you can choose to keep the conf # or not. Want to hire a baby sitter: use the app. Want to vote for someone: use the app. Want to sell a car: use the app. Want to date my daughter: use the app. Want to sell a gun: use the app.
That’s a true Universal Background Check. Not the useless crap they want to foist on us.
That won't work inside that box, you have to attach a criteria to it, in this case, full name, SS# and check box that says Gun purchase. Then it worksThe way current idiots want to implement UBC, it would be next to impossible to support.
With that stated, I could support an anonymous app or 800 number to be used for any reason. Enter the persons name and get a red light: green light confirmation #. You don’t need to give a reason for the check and you can choose to keep the conf # or not. Want to hire a baby sitter: use the app. Want to vote for someone: use the app. Want to sell a car: use the app. Want to date my daughter: use the app. Want to sell a gun: use the app.
That’s a true Universal Background Check. Not the useless crap they want to foist on us.
Maybe this wouldn’t even be a topic for discussion IF private sellers were more cautious and conscientious about who they sell their guns to? NONE of us should want guns falling into the wrong hands, yet many are only worried about getting the cash in hand without doing due diligence on who they are selling their guns to.
Personally, my standards for selling my guns are actually higher than that set forth by state and federal law. I run my own background checks using s/w that I pay for out of my own pocket. If I have any doubts whatsoever about the character and judgement of a potential buyer, I simply don’t sell to that person. My guns, my rules.
You might have a hard time selling a gun on the site as most are like I am. All you will get from me is green money, no name or anything else. If you want all my info and/or a bill of sale the sale won't happen. If you do post something for sale make note of your sale requirements to not waste the time of people who won't give it.
I also don't provide my PII to strangers... to combat the problem of identity theft.I guess one can choose to be part of the problem or part of the solution.
This is where universal bg checks fall into topics many don't wanna talk about. I don't want criminals doing bad things. Though lets say a prohibited person changes his life and lives their life with good intent. Imo their right to protect their home and family shouldn't be infringed on. A lot of gun owners who pass background checks aren't great people. They just haven't gotten caught doing whatever it is their doing. Fixing society has nothing to do with guns.
We can't control what other people do. I'm not 100 percent accurate when I judge someone. People make bad decisions. We just have to keep a state free so that you or I or anyone here doesn't lose our rights because we sold to the wrong person by mistake. When oregon was cool and I was in my early 20s I found out someone I sold to got popped for drugs. I wouldn't have even known he was like that. Not in a million years. The law had no say. The way it should be. Yes I think we do need to judge a book by its cover to a degree...people can call me racist or whatever. If a person looks like they are in a gang, can't wear a ball cap right lol, saggy pants...ok so I'm an old man on the inside lol...you get my point. Its life man. You can't control other peoples actions.I agree with everything you said, especially the last sentence.
I’m not infringing on anyone’s rights to own a gun, I’m just not willing to place one of MY guns in anyone’s hands who I have any doubts about whatsoever.
Fair enough, and I'm the same with my ID...I agree with everything you said, especially the last sentence.
I’m not infringing on anyone’s rights to own a gun, I’m just not willing to place one of MY guns in anyone’s hands who I have any doubts about whatsoever.
I cry every time I sell.Then you should never sell one. Problem solved.
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Every time you sell a gun, a little piece of you dies.. not all of you, maybe just your liver.I cry every time I sell.
Also jigo, I was like you too and I agree no one should tell us how to handle our property. Its your property until you take the cash and shake hands. On the flip side I don't need someone's private info...I'm not an agency that can protect that. Its a double edged sword. Texas has no laws to get you in trouble if someone commits a crime if a 4473 is traced back to you. You will probably get a knock on the door but nothing will happen.