I see why Hollywood is afraid of firearms - Alec Baldwin kills set employee

[Alpha.Geek]

 

[BillM]

 

[toddnjoyce]

..The damnable irony here is that a self-professed anti-gunner would star in a film glorifying guns and violence….

Since when has there been virtue in a prostituting one’s self for money?

 

[Renegade]

Where the guns were stored when not needed is totally irrelevant.

Irrelevant to you, but not to the police. That seems to be the unknown that the police are focusing on. They have a timeline and statements. The period of time during lunch when they were not needed appears to be when the loaded rounds entered the gun.

 

[BillM]

 

[Renegade]

And a Blue gun with the cylinder milled and painted to look like it had bullets in it, or a toy gun with plastic bullets, would have done the same as a real gun for camera angle and lighting.

I think they needed a functioning gun where the cylinder works and when you cock it the cylinder turns and the hammer drops, which is the shot they were taking.

But yeah to your point they could have used a replica, or taken a real gun and de-activated it.

But this was a super low budget production.

Still no word on who supplied the guns, I doubt Reed did.

 

[Renegade]

On another forum I saw this:

"Alec, If the scene required you to point the gun at your head pull the trigger, would you have taken the time to check to see if it was unloaded?"

 

[bbbass]

Not for me. It is B&W.

They violated every known safety rule. That is beyond gross negligence to the point of complete recklessness.

Including movie industry safety standards and protocols... that is what drives it over the line into criminal negligence for me.

From the article above....

"If a performer is handed a firearm to use in a scene, they trust that the props department and armourers have done their due diligence and followed protocol and that the weapon is safe for use.

Says Merrick, “I really need to reiterate that the actors have a focus on their dialogue and their emotion and where they got to stand on their lighting and how to react to the other actor…They need to be able to stand firmly and know that the wall is not going to fall down on their head, they need to know that the gun that they’re being handed is ready to go and it’s safe and it’s not going to hurt anybody.”

I guessed as much. However, the last part I have a real problem with... even in Hollywierd it is not standard practice to point a gun at a person and pull the trigger, AFAIK. Angles are cheated, bulletproof shields and/or remotely operated cameras are used.

I could be wrong.
But I'm gonna guess that Tom Nix, Roy Roger's, Gene Autry, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Arnold *********, Sylvester Stallone, etc. etc......... did as well.

It's possible. However, after Brandon Lee I believe lots of industry changes were made and safety rules put in place. Who enforces those rules? My guess is nobody in particular... it's probably a combination of producer, director/AD, actors themselves, and the crew unions... remember the union staff walked off the set after issues that included safety concerns and 3 AD/ND events?

 

[Sasquatch]

I think they needed a functioning gun where the cylinder works and when you cock it the cylinder turns and the hammer drops, which is the shot they were taking.

But yeah to your point they could have used a replica, or taken a real gun and de-activated it.

But this was a super low budget production.

Still no word on who supplied the guns, I doubt Reed did.

I had metal framed, toy guns like this when I was a kid. They had milled in "bullets" in the front of the cylinders, and caps in the back. Don't see why something like that couldn't be made to look like real bullets in the back for Hollyweird sake. The barrel had an opening at the muzzle, but was solid (I remember sticking twigs and shit down it as a kid, trying to get them to shoot out. Kids are dumb...)

Of course I was a little kid in the 80s, when we still had cool toys & shit before everything became plastic, bright orange, and lame. I had a bunch of cap guns that didn't even have orange tips. I did have some all plastic guns - Beretta 92 looking stuff that shot rubber darts.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Currently watching "Rat Patrol".

In this instance, do you think the actors checked every round in the link?

Should they have to?

Or is it up to the individuals hired for that purpose?

 

[Renegade]

Currently watching "Rat Patrol".

In this instance, do you think the actors checked every round in the link?

Should they have to?

Or is it up to the individuals hired for that purpose?

up to them.

but they own every round they pull the trigger for.

Just like the driver of the vehicle is responsible for not running any other actors over

 

[ZX9RCAM]

'Rust' armorer says she doesn't know how live ammo got on set, according to attorneys


Below goes against what has been said about the guns being used during a lunch break.


From article...

"But on "Rust," the guns were locked up every night and at lunch, and Gutierrez had no idea how the live round that killed director of photography Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza got on set, Gutierrez's attorneys say in their statement."

 

[majormadmax]

From the article above....

"If a performer is handed a firearm to use in a scene, they trust that the props department and armourers have done their due diligence and followed protocol and that the weapon is safe for use.

Says Merrick, “I really need to reiterate that the actors have a focus on their dialogue and their emotion and where they got to stand on their lighting and how to react to the other actor…They need to be able to stand firmly and know that the wall is not going to fall down on their head, they need to know that the gun that they’re being handed is ready to go and it’s safe and it’s not going to hurt anybody.”

I get your point, but that still doesn't negate the liability of the actor. If he was given a car and used it to run people over, does that change anything? Where does the negligence lie?

TIMELINE: Alec Baldwin's prop gun misfire joins list of fatal movie set accidents

Since 1990, at least 43 people have died on sets in the U.S., according to a 2016 study.

abc7chicago.com

 

[Axxe55]

'Rust' armorer says she doesn't know how live ammo got on set, according to attorneys


Below goes against what has been said about the guns being used during a lunch break.


From article...

"But on "Rust," the guns were locked up every night and at lunch, and Gutierrez had no idea how the live round that killed director of photography Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza got on set, Gutierrez's attorneys say in their statement."

Those statements point to her not being qualified, or not competent to be the head armorer, or she was in over her head.

 

[BillM]

I get your point, but that still doesn't negate the liability of the actor. If he was given a car and used it to run people over, does that change anything? Where does the negligence lie?

TIMELINE: Alec Baldwin's prop gun misfire joins list of fatal movie set accidents

Since 1990, at least 43 people have died on sets in the U.S., according to a 2016 study.

abc7chicago.com

I don't think baldwin would have drove into a crowd of people. Anyone would know that would cause injury or death.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I presume every actor driving a vehicle under its own power knows, without a doubt, that it is going to injure someone if they hit them.

ETA: Ninja'd.

 

[bbbass]

Currently watching "Rat Patrol".

In this instance, do you think the actors checked every round in the link?

Should they have to?

Or is it up to the individuals hired for that purpose?

Nope. It is common and accepted movie industry standard that the prop managers and armorers are responsible for checking, and that the actor accepts a "HOT/COLD" gun and the scene moves on immediately.

That said, some armorers/mgrs insist, AFAIK, that the firearm is "proven" to the actor to be shown clear via opening the cylinder and sticking a rod down the barrel. In the case of "dummy" rounds, the primers should not be present... an easy and fast double check. IMO omitting this step because of getting in a rush due to low budget or actor ego is negligent.

And in no case, AFAIK, in modern movie practice is a firearm to be pointed in an unsafe/unprotected direction and the trigger pulled. This violates all common safety rules AND movie industry standards!!! = Negligence.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

So, I guess it remains to be seen if he just "willy nilly" shot at the people, or was he shooting at the camera (for the shot), and they were behind it.

 

[BillM]

‘Rust’ armorer breaks silence on Alec Baldwin shooting incident, blames producers for unsafe conditions

Hannah Gutierrez Reed spoke out to deny certain rumors about the on-set shooting involving Alec Baldwin that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead.

www.foxnews.com

 

[gdr_11]

Breitbart expands the previous article and goes on to tell us that the AD who handed the gun to Baldwin had allegedly been fired from a set before after an accidental discharge

'Rust' Armorer Breaks Silence, Blames Producers: I Have 'No Idea' Where Live Ammunition Came From

"Rust" head armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed broke her silence in a statement issued by her attorneys on Friday, in which she blamed producers, adding that she has "no idea" where the live rounds of ammunition came from, and that people have "slandered" her to the media.

www.breitbart.com