Ukraine invasion

[leVieux]

And who were we supplying prier to 1939?

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Err, I’m old, but I’m not that OLD !

Many in the USA felt that we had been drawn into a “European War” in WWI, and there was great sentiment against getting involved in another in the late 1930’s.

I have never “revered” FDR, as many mistakenly have; and I absolutely despise Eleanor, the prototype for HRC.

The internet is replete with Historians’ references describing the issues, causes, and chicanery involved in getting the USA into WWII. Help yourself to it.

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[General Zod]

When one is ignorant to only eat out of the slop they are fed, they tend to be pigs.

There is no point in talking to a person that is not open to new ideas. That’s why arguing with liberals is a waste of time. They love their slop and not 5 course meal.

And you fail to see the irony of these words coming from you. Who accept the stories from the Kremlin over any non-Russian source. Believing the excuses of the belligerent party is not 'new ideas', it's the same old shit an authoritarian expects people to believe. Do you know who the best sources for this conflict are?

Not the Ukrainian press.

Sure as hell not the Russian state-run press.

Other than that, there's a lot of semi-legitimate sources and legitimate sources. But as long as you're taking the propaganda from the Kremlin as fact, then you're getting taken no more seriously than I'd take a moon hoaxer or a flat earther. Go post about more of your videos, man. You're making a fool of yourself here.

Just when I was allllmost ready to try to take you seriously. Wow.

 

[General Zod]

You haven't answered any of my questions about your opinion or rebuked any statements I made that contradict your view. Do you expect me to accept what you say as truth?

Well, he does get his info straight from Vladimir Putin. What more authoritative source could there be? ROFL

 

[CavCop]

I accept your view, think about it and respond directly to your statement. If a view makes no sense I'll ask for more information. If the person can offer no explanation for their view, cant answer simple questions, and responds with personal attacks it becomes obvious they don't know squat.

Yes, ping pong gets tiring when someone keeps stepping in and taking over.

My view is Ukraine got played by America (Democrats/Politicians and our CIA). My view is Ukraine wanted to play the game. My view is America pushed Russia to invade. My view is Russia invaded based on intelligence they got from numerous sources including their own sources, what the CIA fed them, and what China shared.

America, Ukraine, and Russia are all at fault. Ukrainian leaders were greedy and failed their citizens. American Democrats were greedy and failed their country and Ukraine. Russia acted on fear they faced when backed into a corner and went all in.

Now we can discuss who is MORE to blame pre war.

Clearly Russia’s invasion is as bad as any country that America has invaded in the past. I mean we slaughter the Iraqi people. If an Iraqi sniper in an apartment building shot at us, we took down the whole damn building, men women children and all. We bombed the hell out of Iraq, killing everyone. Heck too many bodies to count. People will never know the true death toll of Americas invasion into Iraq. Maybe Russia should have done the same to hold ground deep in the Capitol area. Then we would not have this slow extinction of the Ukrainian people due to the failures of others that take advantage of them. But I can’t say Russia is the good guys. However they have as much a reason as America has used for Vietnam, Berute, Panama, Libya, Bosnia Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc… when we attacked and took over. Granted Russia wanted a surrender deal.

Maybe in 2024 Trump can end the war in one day with a huge Check move and Ukraine keeping most of its country. But that’s if Ukraine is still fighting and dying by then, and if we don’t get a Democrat in the White House.

 

[ian]

What is my opinion? That America used Ukraine?

Next you will tell me America does not interfere in elections of other countries.

I stand by my view based on different reports, from different places, that show Ukraine was used and abused by America and Russia. Don’t forget the AND RUSSIA part.

Do you deny that? That’s fine. Some Americans are getting rich off this war. Lots of money to buy more politicians. Ukraine will be a piggy bank till Europe decides they are not benefiting from it. Nice thing is I no longer fight wars, and get to profit off this war with some job security.

Lots of countries do business with other countries. And yes, money is made. Most of that money is made honestly.

Not a fan of corrupt politicians making deals with tax dollars. Not a fan of profiting off war either(no offense). War is sometimes nessisary. Blatant armed murderous robbery is one of those times when war is needed.

 

[CavCop]

And you fail to see the irony of these words coming from you. Who accept the stories from the Kremlin over any non-Russian source. Believing the excuses of the belligerent party is not 'new ideas', it's the same old shit an authoritarian expects people to believe. Do you know who the best sources for this conflict are?

Not the Ukrainian press.

Sure as hell not the Russian state-run press.

Other than that, there's a lot of semi-legitimate sources and legitimate sources. But as long as you're taking the propaganda from the Kremlin as fact, then you're getting taken no more seriously than I'd take a moon hoaxer or a flat earther. Go post about more of your videos, man. You're making a fool of yourself here.

Just when I was allllmost ready to try to take you seriously. Wow.

Do you think Biden and Zelensky are in charge of their countries? Or are they just figure heads and not leaders in the sense that say Putin or Trump was in charge and making calls?

Do you think Zelensky is more about the image he portrays? I mean he was an actor, could the CIA exploit that? Have him show up in America in a combat uniform vs a suit? Put on a ruff and tuff image? We call that propaganda. In North Korea they do the opposite. Are do you not see it as that?

I see Biden and Zelensky as empty suits. I think our Government controls Zelensky for the most, not completely, but heck who is giving him most of the equipment and money? Is hard to assume we control things in Ukraine?

Heck we have our guys operating in Ukraine, and from my view, it’s the CIA and Military (including other countries) who are running Ukraines fighting, like we have always done.

 

[CavCop]

Well, he does get his info straight from Vladimir Putin. What more authoritative source could there be? ROFL

See a real General knows to use multiple sources and not just their buddy’s word.

 

[General Zod]

Do you think Biden and Zelensky are in charge of their countries? Or are they just figure heads and not leaders in the sense that say Putin or Trump was in charge and making calls?

Do you think Zelensky is more about the image he portrays? I mean he was an actor, could the CIA exploit that? Have him show up in America in a combat uniform vs a suit? Put on a ruff and tuff image? We call that propaganda. In North Korea they do the opposite. Are do you not see it as that?

I see Biden and Zelensky as empty suits. I think our Government controls Zelensky for the most, not completely, but heck who is giving him most of the equipment and money? Is hard to assume we control things in Ukraine?

Heck we have our guys operating in Ukraine, and from my view, it’s the CIA and Military (including other countries) who are running Ukraines fighting, like we have always done.

Acting pretty high and mighty for someone who ingests his propganda straight from the source. Sorry, you've pretty much buffooned yourself forever first by citing TASS as a legitimate source, then for trying to defend that source. You're not getting taken seriously anymore, buddy. You can stop trying to hit that dead horse where I'm concerned.

 

[General Zod]

See a real General knows to use multiple sources and not just their buddy’s word.

So your buddy works at TASS then? LOL

 

[ian]

Yes, ping pong gets tiring when someone keeps stepping in and taking over.

My view is Ukraine got played by America (Democrats/Politicians and our CIA). My view is Ukraine wanted to play the game. My view is America pushed Russia to invade. My view is Russia invaded based on intelligence they got from numerous sources including their own sources, what the CIA fed them, and what China shared.

America, Ukraine, and Russia are all at fault. Ukrainian leaders were greedy and failed their citizens. American Democrats were greedy and failed their country and Ukraine. Russia acted on fear they faced when backed into a corner and went all in.

Now we can discuss who is MORE to blame pre war.

Clearly Russia’s invasion is as bad as any country that America has invaded in the past. I mean we slaughter the Iraqi people. If an Iraqi sniper in an apartment building shot at us, we took down the whole damn building, men women children and all. We bombed the hell out of Iraq, killing everyone. Heck too many bodies to count. People will never know the true death toll of Americas invasion into Iraq. Maybe Russia should have done the same to hold ground deep in the Capitol area. Then we would not have this slow extinction of the Ukrainian people due to the failures of others that take advantage of them. But I can’t say Russia is the good guys. However they have as much a reason as America has used for Vietnam, Berute, Panama, Libya, Bosnia Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc… when we attacked and took over. Granted Russia wanted a surrender deal.

Maybe in 2024 Trump can end the war in one day with a huge Check move and Ukraine keeping most of its country. But that’s if Ukraine is still fighting and dying by then, and if we don’t get a Democrat in the White House.

Sounds like you want a strong independent Ukraine. Pretty sure the majority of Ukrainians agree with you. I'm sure they appreciate your support.

You think Russia was pushed by USA to steal Ukrainian land, warm sea port, natural resources and bio tech? Do you think the trillions of dollars Russia would get from stealing from Ukraine played a part in their decision making? Maybe?

Russia tried to invade the capitol. They failed miserably, remember? Putin had all his troops and weapons and couldnt come close to taking the capitol. Only after biden and world saw the russian failure, millions of refugees, death, and destruction putin was causing did he send support.

Putin could go home and the rapid extinction of Russian and Ukrainian boys would end. Putin won't do that because he wants the trillions of dollars from stealing Ukraine.

 

[studenygreg]

Like Afghanistan, I guess we will have to wait 20 or so years to see any of the truth.

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[cycleguy2300]

My replies were to cycle guy who felt article’s supporting my claim were far left. So I posted far right that have the same claims. What did I post that was FAR LEFT OR FAR RIGHT that contradicts or does not support my opinion?

I get you jumped in for a buddy, but how have I not supported my opinion? Or do you not like or accept my opinion?

The article you linked said a Ukrainian in Ukriane was "brandishing" a Ukrianian flag... it was simply a publication that echoed your views.

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In their own words:

"People’s World traces its lineage to the Daily Worker newspaper, founded by communists, socialists, union members, and other activists in Chicago in 1924."

They are not interested in facts or truth, its pure propaganda for the weak minded:

"People’s World continues to feature Marxist analysis and opinion developed by the Communist Party as well as voices from other currents of the labor and people’s movements."

Yeah, I dont trust anything they write.



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[ian]

Maybe, maybe not. The real value in having him was access to FJB/Obama.

You could be right. With the threat of Russian invasion making friends is a smart move.

 

[ian]

Like Afghanistan, I guess we will have to wait 20 or so years to see any of the truth.

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The truth is available now. In 20 years all we will have access to is re-written websites.

 

[Havok1]

You could be right. With the threat of Russian invasion making friends is a smart move.

i guess if that’s what you think they were focused on…

 

[CavCop]

The article you linked said a Ukrainian in Ukriane was "brandishing" a Ukrianian flag... it was simply a publication that echoed your views.

About People’s World

ABOUT US People’s World is a voice for progressive change and socialism in the United States. It provides news and analysis of, by, and for the labor and democratic movements to our readers across the country and around the world.

www.peoplesworld.org

In their own words:

"People’s World traces its lineage to the Daily Worker newspaper, founded by communists, socialists, union members, and other activists in Chicago in 1924."

They are not interested in facts or truth, its pure propaganda for the weak minded:

"People’s World continues to feature Marxist analysis and opinion developed by the Communist Party as well as voices from other currents of the labor and people’s movements."

Yeah, I dont trust anything they write.



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I don’t trust anything a witness told me at crime scenes, till I got all the information and all the reports done. Often people have agendas. Even the grand juries I presented cases to would jump to conclusions vs evaluating the totality of the case.

 

[Havok1]

Like Afghanistan, I guess we will have to wait 20 or so years to see any of the truth.

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the people making decisions about our involvement in ukraine have never gotten involved in a war that we didn’t wish we could undo/been on the winning side of a war.

 

[cycleguy2300]

I don’t trust anything a witness told me at crime scenes, till I got all the information and all the reports done. Often people have agendas. Even the grand juries I presented cases to would jump to conclusions vs evaluating the totality of the case.

So what's your agenda if your position seemingly aligns so well with political publications pushing communist talking points of russia?

I was a bit busy last evening but still haven't seen where you defined your term "bio lab"...

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[ian]

i guess if that’s what you think they were focused on…

What do you think the oil company was focused on?

 

[ian]

the people making decisions about our involvement in ukraine have never gotten involved in a war that we didn’t wish we could undo/been on the winning side of a war.

Out of all the wars in the world, which is your favorite? What war are you glad happened??