Built and priced a Ford 250 WOW!

[Savage20]

If the truck lived with a trailer behind it, the diesel premium would break even long before 250k. The 7.3 got double the fuel economy of the V10. And not sure how anyone can claim the Triton V10 was more reliable or cheaper to maintain than a 7.3 PSD.

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[rman]

v10 wasn't bad. Just like the 5.4 2v, it needed the spark plugs torqued to 13 ft lbs and checked regularly. Once you've done it once, and with a 8mm 1/4 swivel, plugs only take about 45min.

And just like the 3v variants, plugs should be changed well before 100k, and replaced with a 1 piece plug.

Other than that, they were fairly reliable. Absolute pigs though.

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[Younggun]

All the people I've known who had V10s regretted not just going with a diesel.


That's only 4 or 5 people, but they all got rid of the gasser for a power stroke.


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[Savage20]

v10 wasn't bad. Just like the 5.4 2v, it needed the spark plugs torqued to 13 ft lbs and checked regularly. Once you've done it once, and with a 8mm 1/4 swivel, plugs only take about 45min.

And just like the 3v variants, plugs should be changed well before 100k, and replaced with a 1 piece plug.

Other than that, they were fairly reliable. Absolute pigs though.

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Never heard of a 7.3 PSD popping a spark plug. Ever.

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[rman]

my neighbors 7.3 keeps burning plug wires

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[Younggun]

I had to replace the cool packs on my 7.3 twice.


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[Chirpy]

Awful lot of V10s running around in RVs as well. I'm lucky enough that my truck is a third vehicle that only gets used for truck stuff. I've averaged about 10,000 miles a year for the last 16 years. Unless that changes a diesel wouldn't be anything but vanity for me. Got a buddy with a '14, and it's not that much less thirsty than my V10, a far cry from his old 7.3.

I'd bet the new 6.2 4v gas motor with the eight speed will beat a new PSD in mileage, especially for most pulling a full load of air in the bed.

But diesels are cooler, but not cheaper unless you're pulling more than 5,000 pounds for more than 30,000 miles a year.

But if logic beat emotion Hillary would be polling in the teens.


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[Younggun]

The people I spoke too didn't pull often, they just got horrible mileage from their V10s and above average repairs.

They traded for 7.3s.

Not comparing to any newer diesels, I wouldn't buy one. Might consider it if I budgeted for a DPF delete and tune as soon as I rolled off the lot. Otherwise, absolutely not.


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[Savage20]

Won't somebody think of the children?

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[Savage20]

If you're buying to own, whether you are saving on your initial investment or in the long run, it's not really a big factor for me. Over a span of 10 or 15 or more years, that $5,000 is inconsequential. What matters to me is can I drag my ass up the uphill onramp that is 1000 feet too short comma when you have 15,000 pounds of trailer behind you? Can I make it up that mountain pass with the same trailer, without burning up my transmission or overheating the engine? Can I do it faster than 35 mph? Can I safely pass this slow vehicle on this two-lane road?

The diesel can. Can the gasser? These days, probably. They are just adequate or slightly better than adequate.

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[Savage20]

12.3mpg at 75mph. I'd like to see a gasser do that. And she gets up to speed about twice as quick.

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[rman]

my gasser got 12.4 up a hill with your trailer

 

[Younggun]

12.3mpg at 75mph. I'd like to see a gasser do that. And she gets up to speed about twice as quick.

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Duramax?


Gross!


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[Savage20]

my gasser got 12.4 up a hill with your trailer

they were both being towed by your PSD huh?

 

[Vaquero]

My 1/2 ton hemi drug 8000lb from Odessa to Alpine today.
Once we got into the Davis mountains, it hit 3200 RPM once. Otherwise it mostly cruised at 2600rpm. With the cruise control set at 63.
Because trailer tires are rated for 65 MPH, and I like how it handles at 63.
9.7 mpg average. Uphill into a headwind.
I'd like to have a diesel, just don't really need it 90% of the time.

 

[Younggun]

My 1/2 ton hemi drug 8000lb from Odessa to Alpine today.
Once we got into the Davis mountains, it hit 3200 RPM once. Otherwise it mostly cruised at 2600rpm. With the cruise control set at 63.
Because trailer tires are rated for 65 MPH, and I like how it handles at 63.
9.7 mpg average. Uphill into a headwind.
I'd like to have a diesel, just don't really need it 90% of the time.

Least it ain't a Duramax.


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[Vaquero]

Least it ain't a Duramax.


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And that.

 

[Dawico]

My 1/2 ton hemi drug 8000lb from Odessa to Alpine today.
Once we got into the Davis mountains, it hit 3200 RPM once. Otherwise it mostly cruised at 2600rpm. With the cruise control set at 63.
Because trailer tires are rated for 65 MPH, and I like how it handles at 63.
9.7 mpg average. Uphill into a headwind.
I'd like to have a diesel, just don't really need it 90% of the time.

Problem is if your cruise was set at 75 your mileage would have been like 5 mpg.

I agree with not getting a Diesel for towing 10% of the time though.

Towing speed would be a moot point too. If you had a 3/4 ton (or bigger) diesel you wouldn't even know the 8k pound trailer was back there.

 

[Savage20]

If you are Towing less than 10K and only 10% of the time, then I agree you do not need a diesel. You don't even need a 3/4 ton. My half ton is a Gasser V8 and does general truck things generally well. The Duramax is for when I tow and it tows well. Better than a Dodge.

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[Younggun]

Drove a Duramax for a while. It was fine for light hauling, anything I might use a gasser for.


Couldn't touch a Ford or Dodge diesel.

I've worked out of all 3. Found Ford and Dodge are about equal in towing but the Dodge has the exhaust brake which is nice. Prefer the cab in the Dodge.

The Chevy just couldn't pull as well, really noticeable in the low end.


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