Even NRA is dissing 1911's now

[benenglish]

... Tac-tard teaching ... who ... knows anybody smart enough to carry a 1911 or a Revolver for reliability already knows more than him.

That's a plausible theory that is now...

After much mockery, this picture ...

...confirmed.

 

[Kar98]

Your SIL is a he?

Since I assume he's not talking about this car:

I'm sure he was referring to his Son In Law.

 

[AustinN4]

Your SIL is a he?

Brave New World

 

[Hoji]

Since I assume he's not talking about this car:

I'm sure he was referring to his Son In Law.

Oh, duh, lol. Having no kids I went directly to sister in law.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Your SIL is a he?

Son in law....


ETA: Just saw Kar's post, thank you.

 

[TheDan]

Does he like to walk the rounds to the target, too?

 

[Hoji]

Does he like to walk the rounds to the target, too?

I believe that technique pictured is called the "Grebner"

 

[V-Tach]

Your SIL is a he?

My first thought was....Sister in law? lol....

 

[seeker_two]

Son in law....


ETA: Just saw Kar's post, thank you.

Your son-in-law is still a he?.....

(.....these days, that's an accomplishment.)

BTT: Just when I think an NRA membership is worth more than admission to the annual show, they pull another bone-headed stunt like this......



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[easy rider]

From what I learned the NRA's Carry Guard is basically the NRA trying to push out USCCA. The NRA even uninvited the USCCA from their annual meetings.

In my opinion it's not a good sign when 2nd amendment businesses do this, but they are businesses and it's more about money then actually working towards defending the constitution.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Someone should show up with a Kel-Tec.

Better yet, Jerry Miculek, or someone who can speed load on a level close to his should show up.

I am a life member of the NRA but sometimes they do some seriously short bus shit.

Why would any one do that? Sign up for a class that is pretty expensive for what you get. Then deliberately disregard their stated equipment requirements?

There are way better classes with better instructors, for less money who are confident in their skills on more than one weapon platform. The only problem I have with the NRA over it is their promoting competitors with THEIR OWN TRAINING PROGRAM. IMHO, back stabbing their most loyal supporters, people who have made the effort to become representing instructors.

 

[Mikewood]

When teaching a 3 day 1,000 round class the 1911s just can't keep up with the high cap guns. Most 1911 owners don't have a dozen mags to take to the class while many high cap gun guys do. So they take three and everyone waits on them to reload their mags.
1911 (7*3) rounds = 21 or 150 mag loads.
Glock 15 (15*3) =45 or 66 mags.

A high cap guy with 10 mags only needs to reload a few times a day during a three day class while a 1911 guy with three mags is stuffing mags constantly instead of listening, drinking water and resting. All of which are more important to learning than shooting 1,000 rounds.

I Learned this during a 3 day 1,200 round urban rifle class. If you have 30 mags take every one and put them in a SAW ammo can.


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[Hoji]

Those of you that are vehemently defending the NRA on this, who do you think this class is really marketed to?

As a LTC instructor the vast majority of guns I see used in qualifications are small, single stack pocket guns, 1911s ( often small single stack 1911) or a revolver of some flavor.

Yes there are a lot of double action and striker fired 15 round guns used but when I ask them if they are going to carry their Beretta 92 the answer is always "no, I will be carrying a .....( usually a shield, kel-tec, sig 938, etc)

Most of the general public that carries, carries small. The fact is that for most people concealing a full size( or even a compact version of a full size) pistol on their body just isn't going to happen.

Most people that carry do not even carry a spare mag or speedloader.

Why not build a "Gold Star" class around real world citizens who carry instead of this Call of Duty pile of horse shit.

Teach the fundamentals of defeating your concealment and getting a shot off without Grebnering yourself.
( Although in the bio pic maybe they do teach you how "to be the only one professional enough")

The general public are not professional gun carriers. The majority never will be. A good chunk of those that take this course will have split, bleeding fingers at the end of it from loading 1,000 + rounds.

Elite military and SWAT officers are great for training military and LEOs.

For the average citizen carrying a gun I do not think this class will have much value.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Uplula for the win...

 

[Tcruse]

I'd say that is pretty accurate.

No doubt that there are lots of people that buy a gun and never purchase additional mags or keep much ammo at home. However, it not one of the goals of any such training to encourage being more prepared? So, instead of referencing a gun "style" set a mag number and size requirement. Many of the classes indicate a min of 10 round mags and 4 mags required for the class.

 

[Tcruse]

Those of you that are vehemently defending the NRA on this, who do you think this class is really marketed to?

As a LTC instructor the vast majority of guns I see used in qualifications are small, single stack pocket guns, 1911s ( often small single stack 1911) or a revolver of some flavor.

Yes there are a lot of double action and striker fired 15 round guns used but when I ask them if they are going to carry their Beretta 92 the answer is always "no, I will be carrying a .....( usually a shield, kel-tec, sig 938, etc)

Most of the general public that carries, carries small. The fact is that for most people concealing a full size( or even a compact version of a full size) pistol on their body just isn't going to happen.

Most people that carry do not even carry a spare mag or speedloader.

Why not build a "Gold Star" class around real world citizens who carry instead of this Call of Duty pile of horse shit.

Teach the fundamentals of defeating your concealment and getting a shot off without Grebnering yourself.
( Although in the bio pic maybe they do teach you how "to be the only one professional enough")

The general public are not professional gun carriers. The majority never will be. A good chunk of those that take this course will have split, bleeding fingers at the end of it from loading 1,000 + rounds.

Elite military and SWAT officers are great for training military and LEOs.

For the average citizen carrying a gun I do not think this class will have much value.

Yes, I agree. However, there is no "one class fits all" possibility. I think we should be supporting both kinds of classes and the idea that you need regular periodic training and not a "one time" fix.

 

[robertc1024]

... getting a shot off without Grebnering yourself...

Heh

 

[easy rider]

Uplula for the win...

Never go to the range without it.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Never go to the range without it.

I actually carry 2 at all times.
Just to teach others about how easy it can be. I have arthritis in both thumbs, couldn't live without it, lol.

 

[Hoji]

I guess this class is not available in New York