in NY, if you rat on a prepper you get $500 from DHS

[Younggun]

On the national level, Sen Cruz is my political leader. Who is yours?

I'd say Ted Cruz is one of my most liked. He is actually pushing for smaller government and supporting (most) rights. He is also making a lot if noise, which is something we need right now.

He is not perfect, and definitely is no Ron Paul, but he is doing good things for the most part.

There isn't a true "Ron Paul" replacement in the ranks, as far as I know. Although, I formed my opinions without researching or basing my views off of the Libertarian party, and still have some research to do on the party itself. Hence my lack of capitalization as a libertarian.

Once I can figure out if I'm able to come to terms with certain differences I have with the Libertarian Party platform, I'll let you know. Until then, I'll have to muddle through the pool of Libertarian candidates and see if any stand out.

 

[duckknot]

What do you want me to say? Responding to your attacks would only serve to validate them, so I dont.

Id welcome a takeover of the GOP by libertarians. Get on with it.

Whos your new Ron Paul?

There is the problem......there was no attack there (that I saw) merely a difference of opinions. YG questioned and disputes some of what you (BC) believe (and you have done the same to YG) and you consider it an "attack". This is one of the many problems with America, the moment someone disagrees with us it becomes a squabbling match and loses any credibility whatsoever!

We all have different opinions and come from different walks of life and we will NEVER agree on everything. Personally, I think things like gay marriage are issues used to distract voters from the real issues (this nation is being destroyed from the inside out) and the people are too stupid to realize it!

For the record I agree with YG, people are free to live how they want as long as it doesnt infringe on my rights and by the same token I cannot infringe on theirs! I may not choose to participate in a lifestyle or agree with it but that doesn't mean I can condemn those who do......God gets to judge, not me!

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Can you say what those social issues are that are holding them back?

I think gay marriage is one that would win them some serious votes. It's a mortal sin, but I also don't think the government has the authority to regulate marriage - at all. It think it's a power that a proper government doesn't have. That's a holy sacrament and it's got nothing to do with government. A marriage LICENSE is just plain offensive to me. God validates my marriage not man!

More lenient drug policy as well. This is another hard sell for Rs, but if they just bent a little and supported weed(and nothing harder) they'd win a ton of votes. It's gonna happen either way so they should get ahead of it and use it to their advantage.

If they coupled the drug policy changes with some loosening of some FDA rules to allow for some more liberty in certain areas that could work as well.

And now my wish list that are super unpopular...will never see in any winning platform.

I figure since God gave me free will then another man has no right to infringe upon that unless I directly impact them.

I'd completely throw social security out the window, but Rs are too socialist for that. And no - SS inputs over a lifetime don't cover the outputs. But most of the country likes this socialist component so that's kind of a bad platform component to highlight. I would also get rid of drivers licenses, NFA,GCA, EPA, Dept Education, etc

 

[breakingcontact]

There is the problem......there was no attack there (that I saw) merely a difference of opinions. YG questioned and disputes some of what you (BC) believe (and you have done the same to YG) and you consider it an "attack". This is one of the many problems with America, the moment someone disagrees with us it becomes a squabbling match and loses any credibility whatsoever!

We all have different opinions and come from different walks of life and we will NEVER agree on everything. Personally, I think things like gay marriage are issues used to distract voters from the real issues (this nation is being destroyed from the inside out) and the people are too stupid to realize it!

For the record I agree with YG, people are free to live how they want as long as it doesnt infringe on my rights and by the same token I cannot infringe on theirs! I may not choose to participate in a lifestyle or agree with it but that doesn't mean I can condemn those who do......God gets to judge, not me!

This is all predicated on the false notion that what a person does in their private life doesn't affect others. It does.

 

[duckknot]

This is all predicated on the false notion that what a person does in their private life doesn't affect others. It does.

Well then you are constrained by the same logic.....how does someone's private life affect yours? (Genuinely curious)

 

[breakingcontact]

Well then you are constrained by the same logic.....how does someone's private life affect yours? (Genuinely curious)

Everything we do affects others to some degree. Some things more than others.

If you dont believe the "Law" was handed down by God...then the Jews made it up. Why would God hand down the law or from another perspective why would they make it up? It made the people, families and community stronger.

If I am a sinful person that negatively affects my community. If I am not a sinful person (which usually involves being indulgent) that is a benefit to society and makes it stronger.

 

[itchin]

Who determines what is considered "sin"? The govt sure as hell doesn't have that authority.

 

[duckknot]

If everything we do affects everyone else why do anything?

I understand the idea of living a righteous life, but why do you (or anyone) get to decide what my righteous life might be? Not a stab just a question that I have struggled with for a long time!

I stopped to help a man today who had been struck by a vehicle and luckily I have the training and knowledge necessary to help, some would call that righteous some would call it all in a day's work! Everyone is different, they have different beliefs, different values and different levels of belief....but doesn't the bible teach me that we are all God's children and that we should all love, respect and honor each other for our similarities and (more importantly) our differences? I have seen you argue how important individual liberties are (this is a good thing) but I am confused as to how that changes when the person in question has different beliefs or lives a lifestyle you don't agree with? We sure do get hot and bothered when people say we can't have our guns because we know it to be our right...but the same ones getting fired up sure do love to tell people how they should live their lives and who they can or cannot do it with!

I don't agree with a lot of the things I see people doing....but I know that God doesn't want me to look upon my fellow man through judgmental eyes or to denounce my fellow man because he has committed what many believe to be a sin, thats why we all get a judgment day where we get to explain our self to God and why we lived life the way we did.

 

[Savage805]

... I have seen you argue how important individual liberties are (this is a good thing) but I am confused as to how that changes when the person in question has different beliefs or lives a lifestyle you don't agree with? We sure do get hot and bothered when people say we can't have our guns because we know it to be our right...but the same ones getting fired up sure do love to tell people how they should live their lives and who they can or cannot do it with!

...

Real Talk

 

[vmax]

Well then you are constrained by the same logic.....how does someone's private life affect yours? (Genuinely curious)

gay activist said they wanted to be left alone and what they did in their bedrooms were private, then they turn around and march and protest to change laws and public policy to force ME to accept their deeds.
The bakery who was sued because they wouldn't bake a cake for a gay marriage had their life effected by someone's private life
to some extent we have all had our lives effected by what gays do in their "private life" when you consider the laws, policies, resources used to fight AIDS and with gay marriage laws pending just about everywhere over the next few years, the majority of Americans will be forced to accept homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality through schools and any organization accepting government funding.

 

[itchin]

That's like saying those thug guys in the video from Ohio are all gun owners and they're trying to "force down our throat" gun ownership. I don't agree or accept homo butt sex but its their life and the constitution says we all have the opportunity to chase life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Denying them the right to marry tramples on their constitutional right. I cannot believe this is so hard for some to understand.

 

[vmax]

That's like saying those thug guys in the video from Ohio are all gun owners and they're trying to "force down our throat" gun ownership. I don't agree or accept homo butt sex but its their life and the constitution says we all have the opportunity to chase life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Denying them the right to marry tramples on their constitutional right. I cannot believe this is so hard for some to understand.

if gay marriage is in the "Bill of Rights" (1st Ten Amendments) then I 've missed something.

as far as I'm concerned the government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage. The government didn't start marriage, God did and He didn't marry Adam and Steve

 

[itchin]

It doesnt specifically mention marriage of any kind but it says we all have a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. not all subscribe to your god and his rules. I agree govt should stay out of marriage. The govt cannot dictate the rules of your god. Separation of church and state.

 

[vmax]

It doesnt specifically mention marriage of any kind but it says we all have a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. not all subscribe to your god and his rules. I agree govt should stay out of marriage. The govt cannot dictate the rules of your god. Separation of church and state.

then we agree, if gays find a someone that wants to marry them then good for them. Don't force anyone to marry them by the force of the government...right?
if gov't shouldn't be involved in marriage, than no permits or license required by the govt and no forced recognition by the govt for people who don't agree

everyone wins problem solved

and I agree with you that everyone doesn't have to agree with my God or His rules, but if they want to be married, they are using an example that is taken from God and recorded in the Bible.

now go marry your poodle , I just don't want to pay for your decision in anyway or be forced by law to recognize your choice

 

[itchin]

I believe marriage has been around before the bible. We are definitely on the same.page when it comes to the govt and its involvement in marriage. What would you be paying for if I married my poodle? Dog food? Chew toys? Vet bills? I'm not sure what you meant by that last paragraph.

 

[vmax]

I believe marriage has been around before the bible. We are definitely on the same.page when it comes to the govt and its involvement in marriage. What would you be paying for if I married my poodle? Dog food? Chew toys? Vet bills? I'm not sure what you meant by that last paragraph.

If the gov't forced a law that legalized your dog union, then all sort of things would burst out from that. If you died and were a veteran, then your wife, the poodle could legally be buried with you in the Veteran Cemetery, costing me money.

If you died and were getting a veteran's pension, your wife, the poodle would legally be eligible for survivors' benefits and then of course, since a bank can't open an account for a poodle, the federal government would assign a human to represent your wife the poodle, who would see to the affairs of your estate.

If you were gravely ill on your death bed, your wife the poodle could come into the hospital to see you in ICU. How much would that cost the hospital to accommodate that? The hospital would pass those cost onto me, the consumer,

What if some dude wanted to marry his pickup truck? much less, if he did legally marry his pickup truck and then wanted a divorce later on, who would represent the pickup truck in court. What if the truck sued for alimony?

do you want me to continue? because I can go on for days with examples of how this will go wrong on so many levels and effect the entire culture

 

[itchin]

Right but poodles aren't humans and cannot spend money or even communicate. Your poodle BS was a lame attempt to make me out to be some kind of perv or insult me. Its a straw man argument at best.

 

[vmax]

Right but poodles aren't humans and cannot spend money or even communicate. Your poodle BS was a lame attempt to make me out to be some kind of perv or insult me. Its a straw man argument at best.

you are assuming that marriage will always be limited to humans.

Im sorry you took it that way. You wanted examples and I gave them to you. I think man is depraved and will take anything to the extreme and abuse any freedom or liberty given enough time. You think man will limit himself to just gay marriage if the door is opened. I wouldn't bet on it.

there are all sorts of stories where people left money to dogs and cats and even trees
http://theadvocate.com/news/5320407-123/woman-leaves-estate-for-cats

this will not end well for our culture

 

[itchin]

Well objects or animals cannot consent. That's hysterical if you truly think people are gonna be trying to marry pick up trucks. Does the truck or other object say I do? Or sign any paperwork. This is exactly why the gop is becoming a party of the past. Hopefully they get their act together and follow the constitution or we will ne stuck with lefty dems running shit forever.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Everything we do affects others to some degree. Some things more than others.

If you dont believe the "Law" was handed down by God...then the Jews made it up. Why would God hand down the law or from another perspective why would they make it up? It made the people, families and community stronger.

If I am a sinful person that negatively affects my community. If I am not a sinful person (which usually involves being indulgent) that is a benefit to society and makes it stronger.

Of course everything we do has an impact. But you're confusing society with government.

It's the job of churches and society to shun bad behavior and help those in need. It's the governments job to build (some) roads, provide for military protection and try serious crimes like rape and murder.

Government has to be precluded from having those powers because it can use force to detain and even execute people. When it's scope is not seriously limited you end up with the scope creep we have today that is partially Rs fault as well.

I don't think we need the government doling out licenses and taxes for everything under the sun - especially holy sacraments that are the function of the church.