Just getting sick of TV & ghayism

[breakingcontact]

No I'm not.

You've described people acting on some set of "ethics" which are slippery, not morals.

Killing the American Indians was ethical in the 1800s per that society but it wasn't moral.

 

[Younggun]

You've described people acting on some set of "ethics" which are slippery, not morals.

Killing the American Indians was ethical in the 1800s per that society but it wasn't moral.

Ethical boundaries are based on moral boundaries. The two are tied together and you can't slip on one without the other.

eth·i·cal
ˈeTHikəl/
adjective
1.
of or relating to moral principles or the branch of knowledge dealing with these.

 

[itchin]

Gays already have equal rights. Well except for marriage. Which govt has.no business in. I accept gays but don't wanna be exposed to it. If seeing two dudes up on each other grosses me our makes me a bigot then so be it.

 

[Younggun]

Gays already have equal rights. Well except for marriage. Which govt has.no business in. I accept gays but don't wanna be exposed to it. If seeing two dudes up on each other grosses me our makes me a bigot then so be it.

It doesn't.

 

[breakingcontact]

Ethical boundaries are based on moral boundaries. The two are tied together and you can't slip on one without the other.

eth·i·cal
ˈeTHikəl/
adjective
1.
of or relating to moral principles or the branch of knowledge dealing with these.

Ha. I cant believe we are defining words now...but they are not the same.

Ethics has to do with society. A society can convice itself lots of horrible things are ethical: men walking out on their families, drug use, porn, abortion, excessive drinking, alternative sexualities and on and on. Ethics are based in humanity and humanity is flawed as it is always reflecting inward on what us petty humans want.

Morality has to do with the individual or more acurately the relationship between the individual and God or Providence or natures god for you diests out there. It doesnt change capriciously to fit what man wants or wants to justify.

In the twisted Nazi framework it was ethical to kill "inferior" people. Otherwise moral people did horrible things due to the ethics of their society. They acted on their ethics, not their morals. Ethics are shifting sand, morals are a rock.

*I understand that ethics based in morality are good and what we should strive for as a society but i broke the two apart for illustration and referenced examples where the two were indeed separate.

 

[stdreb27]

Homosexuality has been around for as long as man, and before if you believe life existed before a greater being snapped his fingers.

It's all over the animal kingdom, not just a human "trait" or whatever you want to call it. This debate is so ridiculously pointless because nobody really listens to the other side anyways.


Then you have the "gays are bad, hur hur hur" group jumping up and down then they flip on some Internet porn and rub their crotch while they watch two chicks fist pump each other. Cause gays are bad unless it's hot blond gay chicks getting paid to do it in front of a camera.


Like I said before, the thread is a huge FAIL.

Whiskey tango foxtrot?

 

[itchin]

Lol. Fist pump.

 

[pharmaco]

What it boils down to is that breakingcontact is simply straining to find a pseudo-intellectual way of saying "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!"

 

[pistolpadre]

no guys it really is more than that.. I don't think it's a choice as much as it's just the way the individual is wired, that being said it's still wrong.. you get this or not, and I'm not a hater, I actually support their legal rights to live together, everything except the name marriage.. Men are so indoctrinated that the life style is wrong that a gay male in prison is (for the most part, exitent of gang stuff) rare.. Women in our society lacking that go into prison and immediately form a gay life style.. slippery slope.. yep!

 

[breakingcontact]

...pseudo-intellectual way of saying "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!"

Ha. Thats funny. I state my position in an articulate, supported and nuanced manner and this is your retort?

Typical. Attack the person instead of their view when you have no argument.

 

[breakingcontact]

no guys it really is more than that.. I don't think it's a choice as much as it's just the way the individual is wired, that being said it's still wrong.. you get this or not, and I'm not a hater

So some folks believe alcoholism is a "hard wired" genetic predisposition. Do we tell alcoholics its OK for them to live their selfish destructive lifestyle because they were "born that way"?

 

[Younggun]

So some folks believe alcoholism is a "hard wired" genetic predisposition. Do we tell alcoholics its OK for them to live their selfish destructive lifestyle because they were "born that way"?

The difference is, I don't believe someone's sexual orientation is destructive.

Maybe it is according to your religious views, but not everyone will share those views. That is the general basis of your argument. Nothing wrong with having your faith, but I don't think your religion, or mine, or anyone else's is a good basis to judge what is destructive.

 

[breakingcontact]

The difference is, I don't believe someone's sexual orientation is destructive.

Maybe it is according to your religious views, but not everyone will share those views. That is the general basis of your argument. Nothing wrong with having your faith, but I don't think your religion, or mine, or anyone else's is a good basis to judge what is destructive.

There seems to be a deadly STD that runs rampant through their community. Same one affects IV drug users. Id call both of those lifestyles, based on the resulting afflictions, destructive.

 

[Younggun]

There seems to be a deadly STD that runs rampant through their community. Same one affects IV drug users. Id call both of those lifestyles, based on the resulting afflictions, destructive.

That effects straight people also. It can also be avoided by reducing the number of sexual partners and using protection.

So it is not an effect of being gay, but is equally dangerous to everyone regardless of sexual orientation if the proper precautions are not taken.


I'm not going to change your mind, and I'm not really trying to. I don't care if you like gays. I find it a little creepy. But to try to find all this reason to support your view when the real and obvious answer is that it is simply against your religious beliefs is kinda silly.


Not that your religious beliefs are silly, but that you aren't willing to stand on that.

 

[breakingcontact]

^look up the stats. It overwhelmingly affects certain communities and lifestyles. Its not some random occurance.

No. Youre not going to change my mind. Its wrong. Being an alcoholic is wrong. Cheating on your wife is wrong. Sleeping around is wrong. Walking out on your kids is wrong. Doing heroin is wrong. Overeating at every meal is wrong. Our culture is now one of selfish indulgence...which is wrong. We need to live lives of discipline and sacrifice but that isnt always fun and happy so people turn towards evil.

There is right and there is wrong and im not ashamed of saying that and trying to live by that. I wont apologize for it. I dont hate people caught up in sin but i want better for them and hope they turn away from their wrong ways and find the greater things in life.

 

[Younggun]

You type that as if I think those things are right.

Anyways, I'm tired of wasting electrons on this subject.

 

[breakingcontact]

Good!

 

[London]

This debate is so ridiculously pointless because nobody really listens to the other side anyways.

Winner.

 

[breakingcontact]

Culture war. Choose your side or choose to watch.

 

[TheDan]

For those of you out there on the sidelines in this conversation, speak up.

Alright... You are absolutely correct that we are in a culture war. The culture of liberty is constantly under assault by those who think they know what's best for other people and those who just seek power and control or it's own sake.

The people that seek power and control or it's own sake will always use the people who think they know whats best for others. The "left" and "right" both do this. They take issues that have litle to no bearing on society and use them as wedge topics. It doesn't matter which side "wins" the argument; the end result is always someone having more control over others. e.g. Shop owners being forced to serve people they don't want to, and restrictions on marriage based on dogma.

I do not presume to know what's best for other people. I know what is good for me, and as long as someone's actions do not harm me they can do as they wish. Having freedom means having freedom to screw up your life, too. The hardest part of freedom is letting the other guy have his.

We really need to remember who the real enemy here is, and stop focusing on the enemy's scapegoat.

Gays already have equal rights. Well except for marriage. Which govt has no business in. I accept gays but don't wanna be exposed to it. If seeing two dudes up on each other grosses me out makes me a bigot then so be it.

Pretty much sums up how I feel about it.