Oh this is good. Dallas PD cop kills man

[BillFairbanks]

I think there's a good chance she's gonna walk...

IMO, 50/50 Murder or Not Guilty


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[Renegade]

Must be if you're wasting your time on BARF.com!

rofl

I find it interesting how different sites, both comprised of gun owners can see the same shooting completely differently.

 

[Vaquero]

What did the deceased do wrong?
Who pulled the trigger?

Sorry guys. That's how I see it.
Anyway, money talks.
She'll probably walk out of the courthouse without handcuffs.

 

[avvidclif]

He might not have been bleeding much. I made a shooting once where the victim was down and could not move his legs, he was in deep shock. While waiting for the paramedics we could not find the entry wound. It was just below his belt line and the wound closed in on itself.

He ended up being a paraplegic.

I got a better one for you. Girlfriend caught him in the act, shoved her Rohm 22 up his ass and emptied it. No entry wound and no exit wound. She wasn't talking nor the one on the bottom. He was dead. Took the ME to tell us how.

 

[easy rider]

What did the deceased do wrong?
Who pulled the trigger?

Sorry guys. That's how I see it.
Anyway, money talks.
She'll probably walk out of the courthouse without handcuffs.

I'm in the same boat. Getting away with killing an innocent person, no matter what she may have believed, sets a bad precedence.

I may believe I'm driving on the right side of the road, but if I kill someone while driving on the wrong side, I'm negligent and responsible.

 

[ed308]

She wasn't driving on the wrong side of the road. That would rise to the level of manslaughter. She went to the wrong apartment by mistake. The Defense establish it was a common problem in the complex for people to go to a wrong apartment when they had witnesses testified they had made the same mistake or had strangers walk into their apartments by mistake. And more importantly, Botham's door or door lock was defective and wouldn't always secure the door to his apartment. That was an unfortunate element introduced into series of unfortunate events and which she had no control over. If the door lock had worked properly, Botham would be alive. She walks or gets negligent homicide. If not this trial, then on appeal.

 

[easy rider]

She wasn't driving on the wrong side of the road. That would rise to the level of manslaughter. She went to the wrong apartment by mistake. The Defense establish it was a common problem in the complex for people to go to a wrong apartment when they had witnesses testified they had made the same mistake or had strangers walk into their apartments by mistake. And more importantly, Botham's door or door lock was defective and wouldn't always secure the door to his apartment. That was an unfortunate element introduced into series of unfortunate events and which she had no control over. If the door lock had worked properly, Botham would be alive. She walks or gets negligent homicide. If not this trial, then on appeal.

I know she wasn't driving, that wasn't what I was saying. The lock not working makes it sound as if it's Botham's fault for being shot, which it wasn't. It's only her word of what conspired, but the problem remains that he wasn't guilty of anything, and didn't warrant being shot.

How many of the mistakenly walking into the wrong apartments involved shootings? Or involved a gun for that matter?

I have a hard time believing that his apartment even if it was fairly dark had the same furnishings in the same configuration as hers. If she could see him well enough she should be able to make out differences from her apartment. She was a police officer, she should have been trained in situational awareness.

 

[candcallen]

Probably not. I am retired and have a lot of free time and a lot of opinions.

Thanks for reading all my posts!

Full of bull sheit and unlimited resources to distribute? Ya in that we are alike. I can relate.

 

[jrbfishn]

Again no.

While it did not happen to me, my grandmother in nyc surprised a burglar in her home. He advanced on her, knocked her down and went running out the front door.

As I said, unarmed people are rarely a deadly threat.

IIRC, there is a fairly good number of people "beaten to death by hands/feet" every year. It is one of the cause of death categories that is tracked by the CDC. And no, not just kids. Adults as well. The elderly and those with certain medical conditions are especially at risk.

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[BillFairbanks]

On the news last night, they showed the portion of the testimony where the prosecution got her to admit she knew she was using deadly force and she meant to kill him.

Her being in his apartment was a tragic mistake. Her killing him was a deliberate action. I think her defense depends on convincing the jury that her deadly force was justified based on the perceived immediate threat. Which may be tough because she admitted that she could’ve backed out of the apartment and used her police radio to call for backup.


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[txinvestigator]

I know she wasn't driving, that wasn't what I was saying. The lock not working makes it sound as if it's Botham's fault for being shot, which it wasn't. It's only her word of what conspired, but the problem remains that he wasn't guilty of anything, and didn't warrant being shot.

No, it doesn't place blame on Jeans.

How many of the mistakenly walking into the wrong apartments involved shootings? Or involved a gun for that matter?

I have a hard time believing that his apartment even if it was fairly dark had the same furnishings in the same configuration as hers. If she could see him well enough she should be able to make out differences from her apartment. She was a police officer, she should have been trained in situational awareness.

She explained that in her testimony. You should watch it.

While another member reports that he began this thinking not guilty and as he listens he has changed his mind, I am the opposite.

 

[BillFairbanks]

Apparently, the Texas Ranger will be testifying again today. This time for the defense. If he testifies that her actions against the perceived threat were reasonable, I could see a not guilty verdict being possible.




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[benenglish]

the prosecution got her to admit she knew she was using deadly force and she meant to kill him.

I watched part of her testimony and this was the one bit that truly shocked me. How poorly was she prepped that she actually said she meant to kill him? You shoot to stop a threat, not to kill. That question was a chance to make it clear to a jury that there was no murder in her heart, just fear. Instead, she came off as not just stupid but casually, unthinkingly malicious, too.

My sis summed it up as "Wow, she's way too stupid to be a cop!" I have to agree. She made multiple, compounding mistakes before, during, and immediately after the shooting. She made so many it beggars belief.

Now, after she's had months to consider her actions and how they were perceived, after she's had time to go over her testimony with legal experts, it's utterly gobsmacking that she's still continuing to make mistakes!

Just how stupid is she?

 

[AustinN4]

Just how stupid is she?

Pretty dang stupid!

 

[jordanmills]

We caught the shooter. Was on parole at the time and I was subpoenaed to the revocation trial . The shooter was a well know scum bag we had run ins with.

The revoked him back to finish his 30+ year sentence.

From reading the previous post, I got the impression that you had done the shooting. "I made a shooting" parses like that to me. I get what you are saying after this post though.

 

[txinvestigator]

From reading the previous post, I got the impression that you had done the shooting. "I made a shooting" parses like that to me. I get what you are saying after this post though.

Thanks for pointing that out. It has been years, and I still talk in cop talk sometimes. I should have used "responded to".

I slip back to cop talk even worse when I go back down and and converse with my old cop buddies, many who are still on the department. Meeting for lunch, I'll text "47" when I get there, which is short for signal 47, which means "arrived".

Dumb but I just can't help it

 

[TheMailMan]

I watched part of her testimony and this was the one bit that truly shocked me. How poorly was she prepped that she actually said she meant to kill him? You shoot to stop a threat, not to kill. That question was a chance to make it clear to a jury that there was no murder in her heart, just fear. Instead, she came off as not just stupid but casually, unthinkingly malicious, too.

My sis summed it up as "Wow, she's way too stupid to be a cop!" I have to agree. She made multiple, compounding mistakes before, during, and immediately after the shooting. She made so many it beggars belief.

Now, after she's had months to consider her actions and how they were perceived, after she's had time to go over her testimony with legal experts, it's utterly gobsmacking that she's still continuing to make mistakes!

Just how stupid is she?

I thought the same thing. I think those words are going to send her to prison.

 

[txinvestigator]

I thought the same thing. I think those words are going to send her to prison.

I saw that and figured she would reply that her sole intent was to stop him from advancing. My jaw hit the floor when she answered him. Of course, it is clear she is highly upset by her own actions. She realizes her decisions caused an innocent man's death. She was shook while testifying, and may not even realize what she was saying. She seemed intimidated by the prosecutor

 

[Renegade]

IIRC, there is a fairly good number of people "beaten to death by hands/feet" every year. It is one of the cause of death categories that is tracked by the CDC. And no, not just kids. Adults as well. The elderly and those with certain medical conditions are especially at risk.

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yep it happens, but it is rare relative to number of encounters.

 

[Renegade]

I watched part of her testimony and this was the one bit that truly shocked me. How poorly was she prepped that she actually said she meant to kill him? You shoot to stop a threat, not to kill. That question was a chance to make it clear to a jury that there was no murder in her heart, just fear. Instead, she came off as not just stupid but casually, unthinkingly malicious, too.

My sis summed it up as "Wow, she's way too stupid to be a cop!" I have to agree. She made multiple, compounding mistakes before, during, and immediately after the shooting. She made so many it beggars belief.

Now, after she's had months to consider her actions and how they were perceived, after she's had time to go over her testimony with legal experts, it's utterly gobsmacking that she's still continuing to make mistakes!

Just how stupid is she?

All of this ^

Every cop, judge or lawyer I know were in utter shock she said this. She said it on the stand, under oath, after waiving he 5th Amendment rights. She cannot take it back.

Wild guess, but perhaps because she was a cop and should know how to testify, her defense team assumed she did not need to be prepped?

Anyone got statistics for Percentage of Defendants in a murder trial who admit they were trying to kill the deceased and get off?