Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

[benenglish]

Has anyone seen any analysis of this rule vis-a-vis the Thompson Center case? That case pretty much established that as long as you start with a pistol, any pistol can be converted to a rifle and back again without restriction. However, I'm seeing statements peppered all over the place that seem to contradict this.

 

[Byrd666]

Has anyone seen any analysis of this rule vis-a-vis the Thompson Center case? That case pretty much established that as long as you start with a pistol, any pistol can be converted to a rifle and back again without restriction. However, I'm seeing statements peppered all over the place that seem to contradict this.

Haven't watched through yet, but am watching now.

 

[benenglish]

Will watch this as soon as I finish the hour-long economics lecture I'm now watching.

Yeah, yeah, my choices in evening entertainment can be a little nerdy.

 

[majormadmax]

The brainwashing has started. Notice something about a few of the ARs shown? AR pistols are only used by drug dealers! MMM, 'Kay!

Police: 2 arrested after drug bust in East Texas​

 

[MountainGirl]

Haven't watched through yet, but am watching now.

Excellent video. Thank you.

 

[seeker_two]

The brainwashing has started. Notice something about a few of the ARs shown? AR pistols are only used by drug dealers! MMM, 'Kay!

Police: 2 arrested after drug bust in East Texas​

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The LEOs always do that. Makes it look like they're taking down a cartel when it's actually a few guys having a fun weekend.....

 

[Eastexasrick]

5 pounds of pot and a small pile of cash, Sounds like a run of the mill frat party.

 

[Nicholst55]

At least the way it's currently written. Watch the embedded video. The way that the statutes are written, once your Form 1 (to build an SBR) processing has actually begun, the ATF has 83 days (IIRC - watch the video) to either approve or disapprove it. You cannot legally build or own an SBR until the Form 1 is approved. By submitting the Form 1 with photographic evidence that you already possess an unregistered SBR, you just announced that you are a felon! There are no statutory provisions for the ATF to NOT arrest you in this situation!

I read online that during 2022, the ATF processed around 50,000 Forms 1. There are an estimated 40 MILLION braced pistols in circulation. If only 5-10 million pistol owners submit a Form 1 to register their braced pistol as an SBR, how many years will it take all applications to be processed?

Remember, the government is NOT your friend!

Breaking ATF News!

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Your link isn't good.

ETA: It's working now.

And there is already a thread...

Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

I sold all my braces at a garage sale. I'm sure you kept a bill of sale for them all

www.texasguntalk.com

 

[Steve In Texas]

Should this thread be combined with: https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/pistol-brace-amnesty-registration.114346 The same discussion is going on there and the same GOA interview is referenced.

 

[Nicholst55]

Combine them if warranted. I ain't going to read 45+ pages in that other thread.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Has anyone seen any analysis of this rule vis-a-vis the Thompson Center case? That case pretty much established that as long as you start with a pistol, any pistol can be converted to a rifle and back again without restriction. However, I'm seeing statements peppered all over the place that seem to contradict this.

I haven’t seem anything like that, but ATF has taken great pains in this ruling to state what you thought was a pistol was really an SBR, otherwise we wouldn’t be offering you the <small> opportunity to get right with the law without penalty.

 

[no2gates]

 

[BigRed]

Combine them if warranted. I ain't going to read 45+ pages in that other thread.

Yep.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

One paragraph consisting of 27 words summarizes it well.

The Second Amendment is a restriction upon state, not citizen.

It is the documentation of a natural right, not something granted by state.

state and its toadies can go straight to Hell on this one.

 

[gll]

I haven’t seem anything like that, but ATF has taken great pains in this ruling to state what you thought was a pistol was really an SBR, otherwise we wouldn’t be offering you the <small> opportunity to get right with the law without penalty.

After saying they weren't SBR's for 8 or 10 years and making them in common use... Really seems like AFT couldn't have fucked themselves worse by trying to **** us, but it remains to be seen what the courts will do, whether the DOJ will enforce the will of the courts or the executive, and whether anything will happen before we get fucked.

Has anyone seen any analysis of this rule vis-a-vis the Thompson Center case? That case pretty much established that as long as you start with a pistol, any pistol can be converted to a rifle and back again without restriction. However, I'm seeing statements peppered all over the place that seem to contradict this.

Touches on Thompson Center case at 9:47.

 

[Steve In Texas]

 

[Geezer]

So, at the end of the amnesty, a dealer that has braced pistols on the shelf will have to declare them, too. Then his pistols become SBR's. If he is not a Class III or SOT, he will be in violation because he has SBR's and he will be unable to sell them. Looks like a built in Gotcha for some dealers.

 

[Dred]

Looks like a built in Gotcha for some dealers.

I do know the AFT has some training webinars for FFLs scheduled for late Jan and early Feb.

 

[A & P]

The truth of it is this. We all know that the pistol braces were an SBR loophole. They finally got wise to it. All you one armed vets using the brace, raise you hand. You're exempt. The rest of us two armed buggers, ya, we know what they really are. An SBR with a strip of velcro and no stamp.

The arugment should be made that this only proves that the wide spread usage of AR pistols that apparently really are SBRs are NOT a threat to the general public. 300,000 AR pistols (or braced pistols, to include AKs, MPX, etc) and maybe one or two were used illegally. Therefore, they're NOT a threat and they should be taken off the NFA.

So don't see this as a ban on pistols, and try to sue to have this reversed. Use their logic against them and make ALL SBRs non-NFA. We've proven they don't belong on the registry (2A, "make no laws" aside). Same for silencers.

 

[benenglish]

Use their logic against them and make ALL SBRs non-NFA. We've proven they don't belong on the registry (2A, "make no laws" aside). Same for silencers.

I wholeheartedly agree but I'm unable to see that many moves deep into the game.

If anyone has charted that path, they don't seem to be publishing their map for us to follow along. Or I've just missed it.