Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

[toddnjoyce]

So what. They shouldn't be able to change the rules and go back on their word….

Laws, rules, and regulations (and the legal interps of them) change all the time. Sometimes more loosely, other time more restrictively.

The real beef with this particular rule should be that both the content and manner in which ATF promulgated the final rule violated law. When any government violates the law in thru the exercise of power, that’s the deepest breach of the social contract that can occur.

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

I am not without sin but maybe this thread needs a mascot. Gentlemen, for your consideration....

 

[Darkpriest667]

You act like I give a shit what you think...

No you only give a shit what the state thinks =)

 

[cycleguy2300]

Laws, rules, and regulations (and the legal interps of them) change all the time. Sometimes more loosely, other time more restrictively.

The real beef with this particular rule should be that both the content and manner in which ATF promulgated the final rule violated law. When any government violates the law in thru the exercise of power, that’s the deepest breach of the social contract that can occur.

Governing bodies do not get to be wishy-washy about their rules. Its not a law, just how they have decided to interpret the laws hence the Rule of Lenity applies.

There is a reason folks seek to get written documentation that an item is not a NFA item from the ATF. Its a form of protection.

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[vmax]

Laws, rules, and regulations (and the legal interps of them) change all the time. Sometimes more loosely, other time more restrictively.

The real beef with this particular rule should be that both the content and manner in which ATF promulgated the final rule violated law. When any government violates the law in thru the exercise of power, that’s the deepest breach of the social contract that can occur.

A congress made up of elected representatives passes laws and an elected president signs them into law. The ATF can not make a law that if violated can send charge a person with imprisonment.

So to see how far we've gotten off track.

The congess is bought and paid for to the highest bidder and definitely not acting out the will of the people within the confines of the Constitution, but rather imposing the will of their own elite ruling class

The presidential election was stolen and we have a rogue executive branch with massive foreign interference

And a highly questionable government agency is writing laws with the power to imprison.

We're pretty f'd here if anyone is looking at this from 30,000 feet and not just ground level.

 

[benenglish]

Not everyone gets gold stars or sprinkles its just a reality.

True. A little cleanup is in order and has been done.

 

[majormadmax]

So what. They shouldn't be able to change the rules and go back on their word.

Braces are not stocks the ATF said so when specifically asked, even if they are shouldered the ATF said it wasnt a stock.

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The government has a long history of changing its mind, from who should be allowed to vote to making liquor illegal...

I know what the ATF said, but just because they were wrong doesn't make it right!

 

[Mike_from_Texas]

The government has a long history of changing its mind, from who should be allowed to vote to making liquor illegal...

I know what the ATF said, but just because they were wrong doesn't make it right!

And the ATF doesn’t get to make law punishable by imprisonment.

That’s Congress’s job.


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[BigRed]

And the ATF doesn’t get to make law punishable by imprisonment.

That’s Congress’s job.


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State is filled with failure and bears no consequence.

 

[BigRed]

A congress made up of elected representatives passes laws and an elected president signs them into law. The ATF can not make a law that if violated can send charge a person with imprisonment.

So to see how far we've gotten off track.

The congess is bought and paid for to the highest bidder and definitely not acting out the will of the people within the confines of the Constitution, but rather imposing the will of their own elite ruling class

The presidential election was stolen and we have a rogue executive branch with massive foreign interference

And a highly questionable government agency is writing laws with the power to imprison.

We're pretty f'd here if anyone is looking at this from 30,000 feet and not just ground level.

It is well past time for the central state to be dissolved.

 

[majormadmax]

And the ATF doesn’t get to make law punishable by imprisonment.

That’s Congress’s job.

The law already exists, as unconstitutional as it is...

National Firearms Act | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

The NFA was originally enacted in 1934. Similar to the current NFA, the original Act imposed a tax on the making and transfer of firearms defined by the Act, as well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, and dealing in NFA...

www.atf.gov

 

[baboon]

 

[smittyb]

Yep.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Not a nationwide injunction per se, but a pretty broad injunction none the less.

Accordingly, the Court ORDERS that the Government Defendants—the Attorney General of the United States; the United States Department of Justice; the Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives—and each of their respective officers, agents, servants, and employees—are hereby:

1) ENJOINED from implementing and/or enforcing against the Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc. and all of its members the provisions in 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.11 and 479.11 that the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has determined are unlawful;

2) ENJOINED from implementing and/or enforcing against Maxim Defense Industries, LLC and any downstream customers of Maxim Defense Industries, LLC (including all direct consumer purchasers and all intermediary distributors, dealers,retailers, and OEM purchasers of Maxim Defense products, and any of their respective customers) the provisions in 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.11 and 479.11 that the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has determined are unlawful;

3) ENJOINED from implementing and/or enforcing against William T. Mock and any of his family members the provisions in 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.11 and 479.11 that the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has determined are unlawful; and

4) ENJOINED from implementing and/or enforcing against Christopher Lewis and any of his family members the provisions in 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.11 and 479.11 that the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has determined are unlawful.

Full order: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66774568/92/mock-v-garland/

 

[majormadmax]

154 days today, if anyone besides me still cares...

I've had enough of this shit and I don't care about "poking the bear," I sent emails to Sens. Gonzales and Cruz with the details of my application and background.

A friend went through Gonzales' office for his delayed approvals on a couple of NFA items, and they talked with the ATF office who, like in my case, said it was "stuck at FBI background checks and they had no influence on it."

However, he got his two stamps approved about a week later.

Could've just been a coincidence, but you never know!

 

[baboon]

So you drop $30.00 to join FPC, grab you nut sack & junk & tell the BATFE right here Bitch as you fish you braces out of you pond/lake/creek/river.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Still waiting for letter from FPC.

 

[Otto_Mation]

Still waiting for letter from FPC.

You should have at least received an email acknowledging your membership when you donated.

 

[Eastexasrick]

If you are a Maxim downstream customer, you are included

" the Court’s injunction extends to enjoin enforcement of the Final Rule against Maxim Defense Industries, LLC and all of its downstream customers whose interests it has represented since day one of this litigation."

 

[ZX9RCAM]

You should have at least received an email acknowledging your membership when you donated.

View attachment 408722

I did get some email from them.
Can't remember if it was that or not.